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Organized Choreographed Dance!

How can ya have drama when you're dancing? Ya can't.

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45. Organized Choreographed Dance!

On the pod, the guys take us through the best dance moments from fifteen seasons of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Megan Ganz: Attention, listeners. Just a heads up that this episode is especially visual because the guys are taking us through all of the best dance moments from 15 years of Sunny. So you might want to consider becoming a creep, just this once, and watch the podcast on YouTube or Spotify to get the full picture. Or don't. Do whatever the hell you want. I'm not your mom. Now, let's boogie.

Rob McElhenney: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. We have a very special podcast.

Glenn Howerton: I'm excited about this one. I'm excited on this one. We--

Rob: I'm very excited, too. Meg looks very excited over there. Meg, welcome back.

Charlie Day: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mara Herron: Thank you very much. Happy to be here.

Rob: Yeah. Now, you look different, Meg.

Mara: Yeah.

Glenn: Did you change your hair?

Rob: Now, you were gone-

Charlie: Have you changed your face?

Rob: -you were gone for an episode and it appears you changed your face.

Mara: Yeah, I did.

Charlie: Did you change your whole persona?

Mara: I did. Got a little curling iron, got outta hand, yeah.

Glenn: It looks good.

Rob: It looks great.

Charlie: Well done.

Mara: Thanks.

Glenn: It looks great.

Mara: Thanks, guys.

Glenn: Well, Meg has put together, uh, a fun little montage.

Rob: A fun little montage.

Glenn: Apparently, we've done, uh, quite a bit of dancing on the show. Uh, now, I didn't think that we had enough to put together a whole show of dancing clips, but apparently, uh, we do. I have not seen these clips.

Rob: Mm.

Glenn: Uh, I've not seen this montage. We're gonna watch them for the first time together.

Rob: In real-time.

Glenn: In real-time, baby.

Charlie: In real-time. However, for the-the creeps who are, uh, listening or for the listener and watching and for the listeners who thought, um, Meg sounds different.

Rob: Mm.

Charlie: Would you like to introduce, uh, our Meg replacement?

Rob: Yes. Mara, could you introduce yourself to America, please? And to the UK?

Mara: Absolutely. America and the UK, this is Mara Herron reporting live from The Sunny Studios, the RCG, happy to be here.

Rob: Now, Mara has been working on the podcast since day one.

Glenn: Yep.

Charlie: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mara: Yes, I have.

Rob: She's been behind the scenes and now she's gonna be out in front of the camera.

Charlie: We're popping you in front today.

Mara: Yeah.

Charlie: So here we are, we're gonna watch, uh, a dancing. There's- there's more dancing in the show than I think we even realized.

Rob: Mm.

Glenn: I guess so.

Charlie: And we're gonna kind of go through and we're gonna talk about these dancing moments. And, uh-

Glenn: We're gonna have a-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: -that'll be interesting.

Glenn: -we're gonna have a lot.


Rob: See, I'm getting the sense that Charlie doesn't want to do this.

Charlie: No, I do, I do. I was just, you know, I like the- I like to go.

Glenn: He's like to be a little acerbic every so often.

Charlie: Yeah, I do. I like to be a little contrarian.

Glenn: This isn't gonna work.

Charlie: Otherwise, we're just like, it's one of those shows where everyone's just like agreeing and like this and like loving each other and like who wants to listen to that?

Glenn: [chuckles] All right, we'll fight.

Charlie: Where's the drama?

Glenn: I'll- I'll fight with you guys about something.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah.

Rob: [laughs] We'll find some- we'll find something.

Charlie: Let's kick up a little drama.

Glenn: We'll find something to disagree about.

Charlie: But how can you have drama when you're dancing? You can't, that's the answer.

Glenn: That's- that's the beauty of dancing.

Rob: Well, that is I believe we've established that as how people, um, of a modern era navigate conflict through organized choreographed dance.


Charlie: Now I, for one don't consider myself a dancer. I like to boogie at a wedding, but I don't-- I think you know that dancing is a talent that some people really have. That I'm like, yeah, I don't have it." I mean--

Rob: Well, it's one thing for professional dancers to have it and that's always impressive to see.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: But it's- it's always equally, um, mystifying when I see someone who's not a professional dancer goes to, say, a wedding and they can just dance.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Or you go out into a nightclub, which I used to do back 20 years ago-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -and you would see just someone who you wouldn't assume was a great dancer, just be a great dancer.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: You're just born- you're just born with rhythm or something. You know how to move your body.

Charlie: Well, was--

Rob: I'm not one of those people.

Charlie: -was it- was it more of a thing where just like everyone used to have to know how to dance that you're like--

Glenn: Yeah, I think so. I think- I think- I think more people knew how to dance back in the day because--

Rob: There was less to do.

Charlie: There was less to do.

Rob: Yes, there was less to do. You wanted to find a mate, you had to go out there and prove your worth-

Glenn: Now-

Rob: -by moving your body.

Glenn: -you just watch a show about people who can dance.

Rob: Mara, do you dance?

Mara: Yeah, I dance for 25 years.

Rob: Really?

Mara: And taught for 15, yeah.

Rob: What kind of dance?

Charlie: So it is perfect that you are subbing in for this.

Mara: Yeah, there you go. Um, I jazz, ballet, and hip hop, but then I taught hip hop for like 15 years.

Glenn: Holy shit.

Rob: This is perfect.

Mara: [laughs]

Charlie: All right. This is perfect.

Glenn: That's amazing.

Charlie: And you will be the dance expert.

Mara: So I'll be judging

Rob: Now, do we have any video on that because I'd like to see- I'd like to see put that up on podcast?

Glenn: Can we cut in some stuff? [crosstalk]

Mara: I'll send you some links. Sure. I'll send you some--

Charlie: All right.

Rob: We'll cut in some stuff.

Mara: We'll get some links, yeah

Rob: Because you could be lying.

Mara: Yeah, I could be lying, exactly.

Rob: You could be lying for attention right now.

Mara: Well, I moved more to the choreography side. And like after because I just-- you get old and--

Charlie: But it's good that we'll have an expert eye looking at this and being able to talk about it. So we need to know who we're doing this against and, uh--

Glenn: Yes.

Rob: Yeah.

Mara: Yes.


Rob: So that's where the conflict become-- comes in

Charlie: Yes, we need some a little drama.

Rob: Okay, so Mara will maybe break some of it down and we'll fight her.

Charlie: Yes.

Rob: Okay, great, great, great, great, great.

Mara: Yeah, okay, all right.

Glenn: Here we go.

Mara: Ready? Let's do this.

[mouse clicks]

Charlie: Oh, I know what this is.

Rob: Yeah, this is the club.

Glenn: Oh, well, Dancing Guy.

Charlie: Well, there's Dancing Guy-

Rob: Dancing Guy, sure.

Charlie: -who's known for his dancing.

Glenn: Yeah.

Dee: What is this?

Mac: This is public access.

Charlie: Now, these were his moves.

Mara: Yeah.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: He was not--

Rob: He received no directions

Charlie: There's no choreography.

Glenn: No.

Rob: Well, there may have been a choreography. It was just only happening in his head.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Yep. Oh, yep.

Charlie: And now here's Glenn.

Rob: Now, this is some- these are some moves.

Charlie: All right, D-I-S-C-O.

Dennis: Dancing Guy, oh, I love your show, man.

Rob: So I'll say- I'll say as far as that goes, that was a great representation of drug-fueled dancing.

Glenn: Yes.

Charlie: Club dancing.

Glenn: Thank you.

Rob: Yes.

Glenn: Uh--

Charlie: The breathing is really good, like kind of like deep breaths 'cause the drugs are-

Glenn: You're rolling.

Charlie: -pouring through your veins.

Glenn: Well, you're rolling and this-- so I believe I was on ecstasy, right?

Charlie: And I really like your glow stick moves, man.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: And those hand rolls, you know, are, they're tight, they're quick.

Glenn: Yeah, it's interesting. I-I really am not for the most part comfortable dancing in front of people. I don't like it, but maybe slightly more comfortable doing it in character.

Charlie: Sure.

Glenn: Definitely more comfortable knowing that the dance is being fueled by a crazy drug.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Right? That brings something to, it gives me something specific to do, and then the glow sticks, having a prop, super helpful.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Because otherwise, I'm like, "I don't know what to do with my fucking hands." Like, I'm always-- you know, so if you got the glow sticks and you make it about that, then-then all of a sudden, you know. 'Cause I've got decent rhythm, I just- I just don't know what to do with my body.

Rob: And the good thing about the drugs is that doesn't matter whether in real life-

Glenn: That's right, that's right.

Rob: -whether you're dancing well or not.

Glenn: That's right.

Rob: You're just having fun.

Charlie: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Glenn: Yeah, that's right.

Charlie: The drugs will help you think you're dancing really well.

Rob: Sure, sure.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, that's part of what they're designed to do.

Rob: Yes, yes.

Glenn: Yeah. [laughs]

[Take My Breath Away by Berlin playing]

Glenn: [laughs]

Rob: You know what we should do actually, is because Charlie was dancing to a different song, we should in the podcast, see what it would be like if you put that Queen song.

Glenn: Put the Queen song back in, just to see how it like-

Rob: Over that. I'd like to see- I'd like to see--

Charlie: Well, yeah, it's just intro, right?

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: So just tonight, I'm gonna have myself.

Rob: I'd like to see that. I'd like to see a recut of that.

Charlie: Okay.

[Don't Stop Me Now by Queen playing]

Mara: Charlie, you look like you've had some ballet training, have you in theater?

Charlie: Yes, I studied ballet at the, um, London Conservatory for-

Mara: Okay.

Charlie: -uh, no. What makes you think that? But go on.

Mara: Just the arabesque and like your arm movements, like you just look like you--

Charlie: [laughs] I'm just doing what I assume a dancer would do.

Rob: He's very athletic.

Mara: Got some technique.

Charlie: I have some athleticism, but the, you know, the left leg, just isn't. I'm spinning on the one leg that works.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: [laughs]

Glenn: Oh, yeah.

Rob: Okay, here we go.

Charlie: All right, here we go. Finally.


Charlie: I like that move. What is that? A little motorcycle? That's pretty.

Mac: Yeah, not like that though. It's pretty good but you gotta use a little bit more shoulder.

Dennis: I like the way he is doing it, actually.

Charlie: Yeah, 'cause I'm- I'm like- I'm- I'm bending the bike.

Mac: But that's not really how you drive a motorcycle.

Dennis: Yeah, but you're not really driving motorcycle.

Mac: It's my thing. Okay.


Rob: Right. Okay, so that's- that's dancing at each other. That's dancing versus each other.

Charlie: At some point, we realized it was funny to start a scene with a little bit of inexplicable dancing that--

Glenn: Yeah. Well, I don't-- that wasn't, I don't think any of that was scripted.

Charlie: No.

Glenn: I think that was something that happened on the day. Like you just start, I don't remember why, but you just started doing that motorcycle dance.

Rob: That was a move, That was a- that was in music video--

Charlie: That was a move in popular culture?

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: But then--

Rob: I think I call it, I say, I call it by the name. What did I say? Bending the bike or doing something?

Glenn: No, he says-- Well, he says, I'm be-- I was like-- he says he's bending the bike and you don't like that.

Rob: There. Oh, okay. That's--

Glenn: That's not really how you drive a motorcycle.


Rob: There is-- As if- as if my character can really drive a motorcycle.

Glenn: You want there to be some veracity to it.

Charlie: Well, Country Mac drives a motorcycle.

Rob: Sure.

Charlie: You look up to him.

Glenn: Right. Yeah, yeah. No, but I-I-I think, uh, as I recall, none of this was in the script and it just became like--

Rob: I think this was a move. This was a move and saw in-in popular culture at the time.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah.

Mara: Move was from the Yung Joc video. [singing] It's going down.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Mara: Do you guys know that one?

Rob: No, but we'll put it in the podcast.

Mara: Okay.

[It's Goin’ Down by Yung Joc playing]

Mara: I like Danny's.

Rob: Danny. What's Danny's? What's Danny doing?

Mara: He's like--

Charlie: Danny doesn't-- Danny's is sexual. Danny's looking a little glassy-eyed right there. Danny doesn't know what we're doing, so he is like, "Ah, what are they doing?"

Rob: Yeah, he's--

Mara: He's a little Tune in Tokyo.

Glenn: He's doing some Tune in Tokyo, yeah, yeah.

Rob: Mm.

Glenn: Okay.

Rob: This is- this is a classic.


Dee: Oh, Frank, you were absolutely right. This is boat music.

Frank: Yeah, this is the kind of music you gotta listen to.

Glenn: Now, we hadn't established that Sweet D was pregnant, but Kaitlin was very pregnant.

Rob: Yes

Charlie: Oh, that's true.

Rob: And she was very angry at the baby at this point because she really- she did not think she did a very good job here.

Glenn: No, she don't.

Rob: And she- she wanted to nail it and she wanted to fling her body around like Gumby.

Charlie: Oh yeah, she couldn't move as much as she wanted to.

Rob: She couldn't, yeah.

Frank: Great, got some moves. Did anybody want any more catfish?

Glenn: She does surprisingly good job of like following along-

Rob: She really, yeah.

Glenn: -with the- with the--

Charlie: She really nailed that.

Glenn: What are those things called? What are they called?

Rob: The inflatable tires.

Charlie: Inflatable--

Glenn: Inflatable tube man dancing.

Charlie: The flailing arm man.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, the tube man.

Rob: Um, I will say that that's probably one of the most popular things she gets on social media almost on a daily basis.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Oh, yeah.

Rob: Someone is wa- buy one of those things somewhere in the world and they send that to her.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: I'm really enjoying the, uh, the musical, the music as well. So we're- we're- we're being, um, we're- we're seeing the dancing and we're also hearing some of the musical choices.

Glenn: This is a song that we- that-that-that--

Charlie: Steve Winwood.

Rob: Steve Winwood.

Glenn: Most people associate, like I get so many like, well, you know, whenever I post something about like music that I'm listening to, people are always like, "What about Higher Love? What about some Steve Winwood?" You know.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: People just--

Rob: They like a Steve Winwood joint.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Five, six, seven, eight, butt, butt, [laughs] butt, butt.

Rob: Oh, Charlie, no.

Charlie: Give it to me, give--

Frank: Wait, where's this coming--

Rob: Oh, so needy.


Charlie: You guys like it? Is it funny?

Glenn: Yeah, so needy.

Charlie: So jealous that-

Glenn: Forced.

Rob: -they love, uh, Schmitty.

Schmitty: Wait, wait, wait, you're not having fun doing it so we're not having fun watching it, buddy.


Charlie: Sure, that's probably an improv.

Glenn: That was definitely an improv.

Schmitty: It goes like, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt. Woo, woo, woo, woo, ya.


Rob: Oh, he's having fun. Well, so we're having fun.

Charlie: Man.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: I love me some Sudeikis.


Glenn: And now we get into some real choreography here.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: All right. Wait, let's pause a little bit. Was this the first time we had a choreographer say, "Okay, here's the dance, here's the-

Glenn: No.

Charlie: -moves?"

Glenn: No, no. I don't-- Wasn't the high school episode before this? What season is this?

Charlie: No, it's the same season.

Mara: Uh, seven.

Rob: No, it's the same season.

Glenn: The same season.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: But I think- but I think we had done that. I think we had done the-the choreography-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -for the high school episode-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -before.

Rob: Before.

Charlie: We shot the high school one, the dance before we shot this?

Glenn: Yeah, not 'cause obviously there's a lot of stuff we shot in Philly like in the parking lot and stuff like that, but I think all the dance stuff, I think that was the first time we ever worked with a choreographer.

Charlie: It was the same choreographer, right?

Rob: It was the same choreographer and e-either way it was the first time whether it was this episode or the other one, it was the first time I've ever worked with a choreographer ever.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: That was fascinating.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: And fu-- And really fun but we just had-- didn't have enough time.

Charlie: Well, it-it- uh-

Rob: If we had more time-

Charlie: -'cause all the dances leading up to that are just kind of us goofing around.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Move your body however you're gonna move it it's gonna be funny and then this was like, "Okay, it's a dance. It has to look specific."

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: And that's a whole other animal when someone's saying, "At this point in the music, your leg has to be here."

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: And then you got to do--

Rob: Mm.

Charlie: I'm just describing what dance is.


Glenn: What choreographed dance is.

Charlie: Yeah.

Mara: But did you-- So did you guys rehearse in a dance studio or did they do it on set day of?

Charlie: No, we rehearsed.

Glenn: We rehearsed in--

Rob: But we only had time, I think for both of them, we only had time for two rehearsals per--

Charlie: Yeah, one or two days tops.

Glenn: We had more time. We had more time for the- for the high school-

Charlie: Yes.

Glenn: -uh, dance. This one came together very quickly and we did not have a lot of time to rehearse that, I do remember that.

Mara: And did they just like teach you a couple of counts of eight and then you repeated it or they would teach you like a full minute of all--?

Rob: I can't remember. I just remember not being able to get it.

Charlie: Well, it's a good question.

Glenn: I think we just--

Charlie: I think we learned the whole thing.

Glenn: Well, we'll- we'll get to the part that-that I remember specifically you-you not being able to-

Rob: I just couldn't do it.

Glenn: -do.

Rob: Just couldn't-- I couldn't count.


Charlie: Now, this is the greatest moment.

Glenn: Now, this is iconic. That's--

Charlie: The top-top 10 moment in the show.

Glenn: Top-- Totally. Will you pause for a second?

Charlie: No, this-this is pretty good.

Glenn: That-that-that--

Charlie: First of all--

Glenn: That Rob, that fat-fat Mac, uh, wiggle across the state.

Rob: Very jolly.

Glenn: Yeah, very jolly. Like the look on your face.

Charlie: The jolly wiggle.

Glenn: All of it it's just it's so--

Charlie: Can we rewind that? Can you replay that?

Glenn: Yeah, let's-- one more time.

Rob: In fact, let's start from the very beginning of this and also and we could also splice this into the podcast. This was based on something that we had seen.

Charlie: It was based on a, uh, beauty pageant thing.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah from like the '80s or so or maybe the '90s where it was like--

Rob: It was- it was a Miss America or it was a big one-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -Miss USA or something.

Glenn: And this song was meant to emulate that-that.

Rob: Yes.


Charlie: And Cor-Cormac wrote this one. He wrote- he wrote all the music-

Rob: It's so good.

Charlie: -and lyrics to this one.

Glenn: Uh, no, I think Rosell-

Charlie: Oh, he might've wrote the lyrics.

Glenn: I think Rosell and Marder maybe wro-- I think they wrote the lyrics.

Charlie: Wrote the words, okay.

Glenn: I think so.


Glenn: I don't even know what you're doing. I don't even know how you did that.

Charlie: I dunno how I did that either but it's great.

Rob: Oh, that's my favorites. We nailed that.

Charlie: [singing] Magic's in the air.

Rob: Magic's in the air.

Charlie: Lace and silk is everywhere.

Glenn: Lace and silk is everywhere.

Charlie: Strutting with dramatic flair.

Glenn: That was the- that was--

Rob: Okay wait, wait, wait, okay, I couldn't-

Glenn: The step- the step-

Rob: I could not do that.

Glenn: -and jump thing he just couldn't do it.

Charlie: Let's back it up. Let's see the step and go up.

Mara: Oh my God. I know, it was like you were right on count.

Glenn: I think he do- I think he was-- Well, he got it here.

Charlie: Oh, he got it.

Rob: There was something about that jumping off the wrong foot.

Glenn: Yeah, you wanted-- Yeah.

Rob: Look how far away I am from you, guys?

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: Man.

Glenn: Our spacing is whack, yeah.

Rob: [laughs]

Charlie: [singing] So everyone prepare

For something special tonight.

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: Here she is, Frank's Little Beauties.

Charlie: [singing] Well, I don't know but you are cardiac arrest

'Cause Frank's Little Beauties are nothing

But to come state to state and town to town,

These girls would turn your man upside down

Frank's Little Beauties: Uh-huh, uh-huh

Who's brass and class and all that stuff?

These girls will show you that they're good enough.

Frank's Little Beauties: They're good, all right.

Charlie: [singing] So put your hands together and settle in

'Cause tonight we're getting down

Glenn: Stealing some day man moves.

Charlie: [singing] [crosstalk] keep messing with Frank's Little beauty's crown

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

See, I think Cormac wrote that-that rap.

Rob: That was fun.

Charlie: I think he wrote the lyrics to that rap.

Glenn: He might- he might have written some of it. Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: No, I think he-- I do think he wrote the lyrics to the rap.

Charlie: Yeah, "From brass and class," that seems like a very Cormac line to me.

Glenn: Um, all like- all the like, um, uh, "Magic's in the air-"

Charlie: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: "Laces and silk is everywhere," I think that was Marder though.

Charlie: That's from the vid--

Rob: I remember Sabrina from wardrobe, she-she came up to me and she was like, "Um, you know, I think we should get you a larger shirt," and I was said-- I said, "Why?"

Glenn: Oh, no.

Rob: And she said, "Well, because we can see your gut like, keep sticking through," and I was-- I-I was like, "Sabrina, that's the point."

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: The whole point of the whole season, but she still kept like, trying to protect me like, throughout the whole season.

Glenn: God bless her. Hey, you know, I get that. I get that instinct that-- I think more-- you know, 'cause most--

Rob: I was pulling it up so you can see [crosstalk]

Glenn: Most doctors wanna look as good as they possibly can, so everything in her, all of her instincts are being fought.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Mara: Yeah, but the crop turtleneck makes it.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah.

Rob: Oh, absolutely.

Charlie: That's the whole thing.

Mara: It's awesome, okay.

Rob: Uh, I love this. This is amazing.

Charlie: It's such a good look.

Glenn: Did Kaitlin take any dance?

Dee: Mom’s stink.

Rob: I don't know.

Dee: Pee-yew. [singing] What are you gonna do?

Yeah, me and you should go into a secret world,

Where no one tells us what to do

Glenn: Just exactly what you're not supposed to do with a kid is like, keep secrets.

Charlie: Yeah, why did the kid have the fake teeth in? I don't really know.

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: It's- it's to give her a perfect smile.

Charlie: Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Dee: [singing] A big humongous pain in my vagina.

Charlie: They're really getting those steps. Vagina.

Glenn: Yeah, [growls] It's the- it's the, um-- it's the growl she puts into it that makes it like--

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: [growls] Vagina.

Charlie: [laughs]

Glenn: It's, uh, it's fantastic.

Charlie: This is a good episode.

Glenn: But that-that-- all that was choreographed.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Uh-huh.

Glenn: Yeah.

Mara: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: And then this is just-- this kid freewheeling, right?

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Oh, no, no, no, the-the guy helped.

Glenn: There was choreography, but I think there was some improvisation, and-and the three of us are basic-- uh, like, we're doing basically a Divo thing, right?

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, we're kinda making ours up as we go, but--

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just doing like the robot and shit back there, right? As I recall.



Glenn: The chimes.

Charlie: I forgot we drew the abs on the kid.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs] That's right.

Glenn: His dad?




Rob: So stupid.


Charlie: All the parents are so disturbed.

Rob: Yeah.


Dad: Hey, what are you people doing to my son?

Lady: Go back to your seat.

Dad: All right, who's in charge here?

Lady: Sir, hu-go back to your seat.


Glenn: Wait, pause it for a second. I always loved that like, "Sir, hu-go back to your seat." Like, that, "Hu-go?"

Charlie: The-the guy playing the dad did a great job, too.

Glenn: Yeah, he was amazing.

Charlie: He was totally vibing this.

Glenn: [laughs] That part in this is so much.

Mara: Yeah, so random.

Charlie: There's a sweetness to this 'cause we're letting the kid like be himself.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: That's right.

Mara: [laughs]

Glenn: Yeah, just letting him dance, you know what I mean? Letting him express himself.

Charlie: [crosstalk] if the kid wants to do it then fucking do it, man.

Rob: That's right, just expressing himself.

Glenn: Once the, um-- for once the-- you know, the other characters are bigger.


Yeah, yeah.


Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Just waiting for the--

Mara: Was that supposed to be drawn on abs?

Rob: Yeah.

Mara: Oh, okay. [laughs]

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: Yeah, we've established those in the wrestling episode, right?

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, the gang wrestles for the troops. The birds of war.

Charlie: It's a birds of war move.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: How we came up with it? For that, I don't remember.

Glenn: That was last- that was a last-minute thing, I think. It was a last-minute addition where like, we-- I think there was some discussion about whether it would be funny to draw abs on him or not. [chuckles] And it was.


Rob: Oh.

Glenn: Oh.

Charlie: Oh, yeah.

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: I remember having a lot of fun with this.

Rob: Oh, oh.

Glenn: Whoa.


Charlie: Yeah, your reaction to it like, "Oh, how'd you do that?"

Glenn: Oh.

Charlie: And this is just--

Glenn: Was this the whole concept of it? The whole concept of plucking my eyes out, eating them, them coming back up, and becoming your eyes-

Charlie: My-- becoming my eyes.

Glenn: -blew my fucking mind like, while on this-- [crosstalk]

Rob: Well, the [crosstalk] is gonna blow your mind.

Charlie: Nah, I didn't tell you I was gonna do that, right? Like I--

Glenn: What's that?

Charlie: I didn't tell you I was gonna do that, right?

Glenn: No, no, I meant it was blowing Dennis's mind.

Charlie: I know, but--

Glenn: But no, I did not know what you were doing-- you were gonna do.

Charlie: So you-you reacted properly in real-time?

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, but we were-- like, if-if you've ever done like any kind of like, a drug like, ecstasy, or you know, Molly or anything like that where, you know, just everything's like, "Oh my God, like I see the world a totally different way now." Like, uh, what are we sniffing here? Turpentine?

Charlie: Turpentine.

Rob: Turpentine, yeah.

Charlie: Why are we sniffing turpentine? Oh, we-we've given up on-

Glenn: We gave up on something.

Charlie: -trying to be like our best selves-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -and we just wanna get high-

Rob: And we gonna be the worst-

Charlie: -at the back of-

Rob: -our worst-

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: -selves.

Glenn: We wanna get-- Yeah.

Charlie: There's been a lot of negative energy going on at this school, okay? So I wanna talk to you guys a little bit about dancing. Now, back in the '50s and the '60s and the '70s, people used to dance all the time.

Frank: That's the way we solved our problems.

Charlie: That's how they solved their problems, through dance and then all of a sudden, we stopped dancing, you know. Grunge came in. We dressed in plaid and over-sized jeans. Then later on, kids wore trench coats and shot each other in school and that's not cool but guess what? Guess what's going on in a high school now? Kids are dancing again.

Mac: Organized choreographed dance.

Rob: This was very, very choreographed and rehearsed.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: Yes.

Glenn: And, of course, us not being dancers it took us forever-

Rob: We shot this for-

Glenn: -to learn it.

Rob: -a full day which is very unlike ourselves.

Glenn: Yeah, like Jill could learn this choreography in 10 minutes.


Of course, we established later that this was all in our imagination.

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: Uh, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: This is not what's happening.

Rob: I also remember there being a choreographer- a choreographer and then he had a couple of other dancers-

Glenn: Yes.

Rob: -and they would show us the choreography and we would do the choreography. We would do the moves exactly the way that they're showing it to us but it looked so different when they were doing it because they knew how to dance.

Charlie: Right, stick those lines, man.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: It's all in like the-the lines.

Rob: No matter how much we practiced over the course of two days.

Charlie: And then there's like imbalance with us where like someone hits it harder than someone else-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -and then does it-just doesn't look good.

Glenn: But yeah, it's okay. I mean-

Charlie: Oh, yeah.

Rob: Looks good enough.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: I think it looks pretty-

Rob: But we were--

Charlie: Looks pretty impressive.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: It looks-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -pretty good, yeah.


Glenn: Showing up-

Rob: Yeah, the audience is loving it.

Glenn: -the audience is loving it.

Charlie: And it took a while to cut this, right?

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: To be like oh, what's the speed of the cuts?

Rob: Mm-hmm.


Glenn: [chuckles] Ingrid Nelson.

Rob: Ingrid Nelson.

Glenn: And then this is what's really happening.

Rob: Mm-hmm. Michael Jackson homage.



Charlie: That was-- Glenn, I like your moves. Yeah.

Glenn: So much energy, you know what I mean?

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, I like it more erotic.

Glenn: Little breath in between?

Rob: Mm. Come on, guys.


Charlie: Five, six, seven, eight.


Rob: Frank throws up.

Frank: [gags]


Glenn: Oh, look at that.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, that's a good one.

Rob: Charlie and Dee Find Love season--

Charlie: What is the dancing in this?


Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: Oh, right, of course. Dee, doing the- do-doing the classic Dee of getting too drunk when she likes-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -a guy, which we established in season one.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Mac: What the hell is she doing? She's gonna ruin this whole thing.


Dee: [singing] Bad company as soon as I die

Glenn: Getting the lyrics wrong.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah.

Trevor Taft: I love how free and uninhibited you are.

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: Did the--

Rob: Unchoreographed.

Glenn: Yeah, just a-

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: -just a bad drunken-

Rob: It's a bad-

Glenn: -strip tease-

Charlie: Back to the-

Glenn: -kind of a-

Charlie: -some sloppy boogies.

Glenn: Yeah.

Mara: Lap dance.

Glenn: Well, I got a question for you guys, so, obviously, she's- she's very drunk there, do you guys feel like you dance better when you're drunk or sober?

Rob: Uh-

Glenn: Drunk, definitely.

Rob: -what kind of dancing? Just like at-

Glenn: Well-

Rob: -an event, at a-

Glenn: -yeah, like just-

Rob: -wedding or something?

Glenn: -like if you're at a wedding or something-

Rob: I would have-

Glenn: -like that.

Rob: -to be a little bit-little bit drunk.

Glenn: I have to be.

Rob: But any kind of like that-but any kind of choreographed stuff, I'd have to be so focused-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -and dead sober-

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Rob: -'cause I would fall down.

Charlie: Yeah, I-I-I don't mind going to a wedding and just doing a little bopping out there like it's fine. It's- it's so much harder when it's like no spin or get your leg here and like--

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: My legs like, "No, man, no."

Glenn: "No, man, don't go that high."

Charlie: No.

Glenn: "Don't do that."

Charlie: I know- I know what you're telling me to do but I ain't gonna do it.

Rob: I won't do it.

Charlie: I won't do it, I refuse.

Rob: Not for you, not for anybody.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: All right.


Charlie: Oh, this is good.

Glenn: Oh, yeah.


Glenn: This has been something I've seen a lot.

Charlie: Danny's moves, man, are great.

Mara: Kinda.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Danny's got a great little moves, man.

Dennis: That's what I'm talking about, guys, huh?

Charlie: He's still got the move.

Dennis: I've been playing online video games and watching stupid reality shows, that's not real life. It's keeping people from experiencing real life. [crosstalk]

Glenn: Still doing karate- throwing some karate moves in there.

Frank: It's real but it feels weird as shit. There's nobody else in the bar dancing.


Dennis: We're not-- I know, Frank. You know, we will lead and others will follow.

Frank: I'm stopping.

Dennis: Oh, come on, don't stop. Let's go do some shots and that'll get you guys fired up and we'll come back out and we'll do some more of this or whatever, you know, do the move and come on, come on, come on, come on.


Rob: We're referencing every dance we've ever done.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah.

Rob: Elbow, karate dance, the-the motorcycle.

Charlie: That's a good one.

Glenn: That's characters forcing it. That's just- that's just get like, uh, a man trying to force a-a situation that's just not-not happening.

Charlie: That's a good way to just start a scene with three guys dancing. You don't know why they're dancing.


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Mara: What's Danny's reaction when you guys tell him he's gonna do a dance scene or dance in his scenes?

Glenn: Oh, he's down. He-he, you know, he's just got his funny little moves that he does. I mean, have you ever seen Danny dance as Danny?

Charlie: Well, when we did the whole choreograph thing, I don't remember Danny's take on it. Was he, like-- He just was down for whatever we're doing, right?

Glenn: Yeah, he was definitely struggling, uh, with the choreography, but-

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: -I don't think it mattered that much. I don't know.

Charlie: Yeah.

Rob: He's always up for learning.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone: [singing] Oh-

Charlie: This is a good one.

Everyone: -psycho killer, Qu’est-ce que c’est?

Fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa

Better run, run, run, run, run, run, run away

Rob: [chuckles] I was just enjoying the music.

Everyone: Whoa, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Charlie: Whoa, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Rob: Why are we doing this? What are we doing?

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: Is that what we do? Is that what we say after that? Like, why-why are we dancing?

Glenn: I think, uh--

Charlie: I think so.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so.

Rob: Why are we doing this?

Glenn: Yeah, and then we find out it's because a-

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: -psychopath is in town.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Rob: You guys are not happy. You guys were not happy with it.

Charlie: Psychopaths been let out of the institution, yeah.

Glenn: Oh, w-why would we dance about that?

Charlie: We were on a freight train back.

Rob: Yeah.

Everyone: [singing ] What are the rules?

Charlie: [singing] I see you back in America.

Rob: Oh, right. This was all-

Everyone: What are the rules?

Rob: -choreographed.

Dee: I'm sleeping from your body

Everyone: What are the rules?

Frank: You can say the n-word

Everyone: What are the rules?

Rob: What are the rules?

Charlie: So here, we're trying to like do a little bit of the choreography, like from The Wiz.

Rob: From The Wiz.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: You know, kind of yellow brick road thing. And then, uh, I remember having a real hard time with this one.

Glenn: Oh, really?

Charlie: There was like some movement in it that I--

Glenn: Well, it was- it was because we were trying to stay so in sync with each other and so it was a lot of like, "Oh, shit, he's on his left foot-

Charlie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -we're supposed to be on our right foot." You know, like it was- it was a lot of the, like just small details that we were worried about because we wanted it to look really-

Rob: And also-

Glenn: -clean.

Rob: -in a- in a real performance, in a movie, or a stage performance, you would have weeks.

Glenn: That's right.

Charlie: Oh my God.

Rob: Weeks to rehearse things.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: And I think we probably went over it twice.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Especially with- especially with actors who don't really dance.

Rob: Yeah. Who would even do this?

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Mara: Also, you guys in all of these, like the choreographed ones, you have to keep your formation.

Charlie: That's right.

Mara: You know, so that's also another thing.

Rob: And remember lines.

Glenn: [crosstalk] We're trying to remember the moves. You're trying to like, sort of be aware of the spacing.

Mara: Right. Exactly.

Charlie: Yeah, that's a good location. It's a nice-

Rob: This is Philly. Yeah.

Mara: Yeah.

Charlie: -it's a nice street.

Mac: Oh my God, man. I had just had the weirdest dream.

Dennis: [beatboxing]


Mara: The horrible beatboxing just makes- it all makes me very uncomfortable.

Rob: [laughs] So good.

Charlie: It's so good, yeah.

Rob: And what is with the baseball cap?

Glenn: Yeah. I don't--

Rob: We had a thing. There was something like that.

Charlie: There was a reason for it.

Glenn: There was a reason was it, I can't remember what it was either.


Glenn: Finally.

Charlie: The look on your face.

Glenn: Finally.


I'm rehearsing.

Rob: That was great.

Glenn: I'm rehearsing.

Charlie: Oh, you're rehearsing for strip dance, that's what you're doing.

Glenn: I'm rehearsing and you're- and-and you're watching me. And so I come and close the door. Not meant for your eyes. Not just yet.

Charlie: Not just yet.

Glenn: Not just yet.


Rob: Okay. Yeah.

Mara: Yes.

Glenn: Now, this is Carter.

Rob: This is Carter who we-- Yep.


Glenn: Who also God bless his heart, knew nothing about dance.

Rob: Knew nothing about dance.

Glenn: Not a dancer at all.

Rob: And was- so this is- so we were- we wanted this to feel like Magic Mike. And so-

Glenn: Oh, yeah, right. Yeah.

Rob: -we reached out to Alison Faulk, who is the choreographer for Magic Mike.

Glenn: Right.

Rob: So she choreographed this.

Charlie: Oh, really?

Rob: And I remember sitting in the, um, back office and we were looking at the monitors and I was talking to her and sh- I was like, I don't know how to dance at all. But I would love to do something on the show at some point where I just learned how to dance just 'cause to do something different. And she said, "Oh, just call me. I'll- I'll teach you." And so that's what wound up happening. I'm sure we'll get to that at some point.

Glenn: Oh, that's- that-that-that's- that's- she choreographed the-the dance that you did.

Rob: Yeah, yes.

Charlie: The next season or that this season?

Rob: I know was either next season, season after that. 13. It was 13.


Mara: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: Yes. 13. Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: What season is this, uh?

Rob: This might be 12.

Charlie: 12.

Rob: Yeah. So I just kept her contact and then the following year, I asked her, how long would it take me to learn how to do something more substantial? And she said months. [laughs]

Glenn: Months.

Charlie: Yeah. A long time.

Rob: Because you gotta start from scratch.

Glenn: That's right. Well, you-- Yeah, that's right.

Mara: And it did. And it was months?

Rob: Months.

Glenn: Months.

Mara: We'll talk about that.


Rob: Nice.

Glenn: God bless him.

Rob: Yeah. Nice.

Glenn: God bless him for doing this.


Rob: Yes, this is amazing.

Mara: [laughs]

Rob: And so disturbing.

Glenn: So disturbing.

Female Speaker: Dad?


Glenn: Oh.

Rob: Oh, I can't wait to get to that episode.

Glenn: Yeah. Very, very upsetting.

Mara: [chuckles]

Glenn: God bless Carter for being so game to, uh-- 'cause I could tell, you know, he was- he was like- he was- he knew it was funny. He knew it was worth it.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: But it was not something that he, you know, something-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: What? Yeah, no one wants to do that.

Glenn: Nobody wants-- Well, not nobody.

Charlie: [crosstalk] He gotta do it for a living.

Rob: He looked good.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah. Guys, we're gonna bring it down for a minute here.

Rob: Yeah, you gonna bring it down for four and a half minutes.

Glenn: It's how long?

Charlie: It's how long it is?

Rob: It's long.

Glenn: Todd Biermann directed this, correct?

Rob: Yep.

Glenn: Yeah. Did a great job.

Rob: Yeah. So-so Allison, um, Faulk, and-and Leo Moctezuma are the, uh, choreographers, dancers, uh, a woman named Kylie Shea. So she's a legit ballerina.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: And she would pick it up so fast and I would just--

Glenn: Yeah,

Rob: She would come in for an hour and then I would- and then she would leave and I would work with Allison and Leo for-for hours. But again, it was just like, we don't--

Charlie: But like, if I didn't know you and I didn't know, I'd be like, "Oh, it's just two professional dancers, out there dancing," you know, like--

Mara: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: You really-

Glenn: I mean, you can see-

Charlie: -did it, man.

Glenn: -you can see where you don't have the-the sort of like the foundation of the form. However, for a non-dancer who's never really danced, you know, you get- you've got some pretty good lines. I mean, you-you know.

Rob: Thank you. Yeah. I mean it was- it was truly months like right there. That always bugged me.

Glenn: It bugged you because you felt like you couldn't get it right.

Rob: The spin, like I couldn't quite get the spin right.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: The- a lot of the stuff like where I throw her around, that's- that was easy 'cause that's just-

Glenn: You'd been-- Yeah.

Rob: -believe I was in good shape. And then again, just practice. But then we didn't add the water until-- so we, I kind of got it down in-in-in a stance studio like for movie.

Charlie: But that move, I mean, you nailed, that was a good one.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good.

Charlie: That looked good, dude.

Rob: Well, once we added the water, it became infinitely more dangerous.

Glenn: Right.

Rob: Just became more--

Charlie: We also shot this on different cameras than we shoot our show on. Actual, nice cameras that look good.

Rob: Much more stylized.

Glenn: Much more better. Much more better.

Rob: Much more better.

Charlie: Much more better, yeah, but like you see how it's soft focus there, like our cameras are always one continuous focus.

Glenn: So do we- we're using our cameras though on the audience?

Charlie: No, no.

Glenn: Oh, no, both.

Charlie: Both sides, yeah. [crosstalk]

Glenn: Unless you wanna get the whole thing-- yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: It wouldn't have matched with the filming.

Rob: Well, what's great with working--

Glenn: The reason, by the way, for the audience is that I'm asking all these questions 'cause I had had nothing to do with this episode. I had stepped away from the writer's room. So I-I don't know that much about it, honestly.

Charlie: Oh, yeah. That's right.

Rob: Yeah, we would be in the writer's room, I think I would go over to Alison's studio twice a week or sometimes three times a week for- it was like three months.

Glenn: I remember you were working on it a lot.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: A lot.

Rob: It was fun. [crosstalk]

Glenn: What? Sorry.

Charlie: That's a good shot that Todd did. That's like-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -crashing in on you guys.

Glenn: Yeah. Yeah.

Charlie: What'd he have a dolly down for that? How many times did you, I don't remember. How many times did-

Rob: A lot.

Charlie: -you do the dance?

Rob: A lot.

Charlie: Wow.

Rob: We did it all day.

Charlie: It was like a full day of shooting the dance, right?

Rob: Yeah, but again, I was in good shape and I had been practicing for a long time. So I had the energy, but I was- That was satisfying.

Glenn: That's fucking awesome.

Rob: That was cool.

Charlie: That's great.

Glenn: That's fucking amazing.

Charlie: That's amazing.

Rob: And she did that, you know, like the first day.

Glenn: That's good for him, Rob. Oh, this moment's amazing.

Frank: Oh my God. [music] I get it.

Charlie: Danny nailed it.

Rob: Yeah, that's the-

Glenn: He's just, you know, Danny has these moments on it where you're like, "Yeah, there's a reason why you're a giant movie star," because you're a fucking great actor.

Charlie: He's a phenomenal actor.

Glenn: Phenomenal.

Rob: Yeah, well, I trained for four months to get that right. [crosstalk] He just stepped right in it.

Mara: Well, that's it.

Rob: But that's what the- that's what the scene was about and should be about.

Glenn: That's right.

Rob: That's what the whole-

Glenn: That's right.

Rob: -episodes about that's right. It's his catharsis not mine.

Glenn: Yep, that's exactly right.

Charlie: It was both, it's both.

Rob: It was an incredible experience that the-- I think the-the best part was how patient they were, like Alison and Leo and Kylie were so patient 'cause they knew I was a non-dancer. So probably if they would get frustrated if it was another dancer, but they were just like keep showing me running it, running it, running it, running it.

Charlie: Do you feel like you, that this was a transformative experience for you in your life doing this dance, getting in this shape for this season? Like, I feel like you have continued to be, obviously you're bigger in this episode, like bigger muscles, but you've maintained the same sort of level of fitness of the guy who could do this-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -since this moment, you know.

Rob: Mm. I-I-I just had so much fun and there was something about the discipline of having to go through, not only learning something completely new, but then the fitness it would take to keep doing it.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: And I felt good.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: I felt so good.

Charlie: Yeah.

Rob: So I don't feel as good as I did then, but I wasn't drinking really. I wasn't- I was just working out constantly. And then also just the endorphins that get released of learning something-

Charlie: Hmm.

Rob: -new and exercising that much. So I tried to keep up with some of that, but-

Mara: And dance works out every part of your body.

Rob: Yeah.

Mara: Like, you start to feel, you're like, "What?"

Glenn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mara: Every part of your arm, but you did such a beautiful job, Rob.

Rob: Thank you.

Mara: You should be really proud.

Rob: Thank you.

Mara: And the patience I think is the hardest is like having patience for yourself, learning it and not being like, "Fuck." You know, 'cause it's hard.

Rob: You realize how much of it is mental, like you how my-- I didn't realize how much of dance is mental is like putting the- and having the- allowing for the neurons to make connections and as you're using a hand, eye coordination.

Glenn: Yeah, in some ways like if you- if you really are thinking about the choreography, it's a-actually harder for you to get it. You know what I mean? You kind of have to like feel it a little bit.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: You know what I mean? It's like- It's almost like trying to memorize your lines and forgetting the intention behind the line. Sometimes like if you get, if the choreography really flows nicely and you-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -understand the intention behind it and you just feel it-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -it's there for you when you need it, you know, in the same way that like now I-I know, I'm sure you guys are the same way, you get to the point where you get so used to memorizing lines that like, if you understand the thought, you understand the intention, you just trust that the line will come to you when it's time. You know, and I think it's probably the same way with dance, I would say, right?

Mara: Exactly.

Glenn: I mean, you can't [crosstalk]

Mara: I was gonna say, 'cause you can see his- the emotion on your face. So like the moves were a part of you. You weren't like five, six-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Mara: -seven, eight-

Glenn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mara: -one, two, you're like concentrating on that. But once-- yeah, once you get the choreography inside, it just becomes part and you just- it's that feeling and you trust yourself, you trust your body.

Glenn: Only for knowing that you- knowing that you couldn't just-- because, I mean, knowing that you couldn't, it would be very tempting because, you know, we're all very busy and you're very busy and you know, to just be like, "I'm sure I can learn this in three weeks."

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: You know what I mean? But you knew, you were like, "This has to be like way beyond anything that we've ever done choreographed. And--

Charlie: Well, also with the tones of what the episode was saying, we knew it couldn't be a joke, like a typical Sunny episode, right? There's plenty of jokes leading up to it, but like once you got to this, it couldn't be one of our like, "Oh, it's kind of funny 'cause he's doing it half bad." Like, it-it's all or nothing. Right. You're either gonna nail that-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -or you can't do-- you can't have that be the end of the episode.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Um, 'cause the funny version of that just wouldn't work. It would be a-- it'd be a different thing, you know?

Rob: Yeah. Well, tra-tra-- I hear, uh-- I heard Mara mentioned this a couple times and you brought up, Glenn, that trust is a huge part of it. Like, you have to- you have to trust that you're gonna pull it off. You have to trust that people aren't gonna laugh at you.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: You have to trust your partner because, uh, uh, you're, eh, you're putting them-- you're put-- I was putting her and the choreographer, um, was putting her into potentially dangerous situations and-and vice versa, where, uh, she's gotta make sure that I'm not gonna drop her or I'm not gonna-- So all through the whole process, you're trusting that you can do it and you're trusting your partners to be there for you. You're trusting that the choreographer, uh, understands your limitations-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -but also what you're capable of. And it just feels like a lot of any of the artistic, you know, expression that we do in acting or any kind of performative art, you're trusting the other people in the room and-and you're trusting the audience that they're gonna go along with it as well.

Glenn: Ca-can I ask you a question about, like-- so as you were learn-- obviously, you had to learn the choreography. But [clears throat] I'm sure they had to teach you, like form, right?

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: And-and what-- And, like, lines and, like, you know, like what your hand is supposed to be doing.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: 'Cause, I mean, you have to-- you know, it's not just what your arm is doing 'cause, I mean, you have to-- you know, it's not just what your arm is doing, it's all the way down to your fingertips, like were you having to learn?

Rob: Yeah. All that.

Glenn: About, like, pointing your feet when it's time-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -to point your feet and stuff like that?

Rob: Yeah. And-and then visualizing what-what could-- she would say things like-- about your fingertips, like, taking it all the way out to your fingertips.

Glenn: Right.

Rob: And I'm like, "What does that mean?" I don't even know what that means. Not about how you point them, but how you-- what you're supposed to feel in them.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: And it's just more about visualizing what that is. And then also retraining my brain to think, "Well, in my mind, that doesn't look right." And then she would take a photo of it and I would look at it.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: And I would say, "Oh, that-that does look right," or something that looks cool. It's just like choreography, uh, like chore-choreographing a fight. You know, you hear a lot of- you hear a lot of, um, fight choreographers talk about professional fighters and how they're the worst. They're the hard-- it's the hardest people to train-

Glenn: Mm.

Rob: -to do a movie fight.

Glen: Really?

Rob: Because sometimes if something looks like-

Charlie: Sure.

Rob: -is-is technically right-

Charlie: Right.

Rob: -it doesn't look good on screen.

Glenn: Oh, yes, that's right.

Charlie: Right. Mm-hmm.

Glenn: It's a totally different skill set.

Rob: It's a totally different skill set.

Charlie: Yeah. Bring your elbow, like, way higher than you ever would for a punch so that, like, crosses-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -so that you're seeing the arm go through the frame.

Glenn: Otherwise it happens too fast.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah. Or it's too low.

Glenn: You miss it.

Charlie: And the camera misses it.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Right.

Rob: So-so something similar here where they would pitch something and it wouldn't feel right and then they would record it and it just looked right.

Glenn: Yeah.

Mara: Mm-hmm.

Rob: And so you just have to trust them. And then, I don't know. It's also an am-amazing community of people, um, the dance community and-and that was the first time I'd ever been introduced really to-to-to so many people in it. But, you know, there's not a ton of money in dance. Like, maybe the top 5% of people make a really great living.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Everybody else is doing it because they love it.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Because it's- it's- it's-

Glenn: Well--

Rob: -an artistic expression that-that-- it just speaks to them and always has.

Glenn: So, Ji-Jill and I both love So You Think You Can Dance. We'd watch-- I-I haven't seen every season, but I've seen a lot. Um, [clears throat] and that's always been one of the thing. I was always like, "Why do I like this so much?" Well, obviously it's amazing 'cause the dancers were, like beyond incredible on that show. Um, so th-the actual performances are-are just s-stunning to watch. But I think the thing that I've always really liked about it is I've always been skeptical of competition shows because if I get a whiff that someone is doing something and their goal is to become famous-

Charlie: Mm.

Glenn: -I don't-- then all of a sudden, like, I'm-I'm like, I don't trust the art. I don't trust the thing because it's like, you know, s-sometimes with like American Idol and those, like-- the- those kinda competitions, you just-- you're like-- I don't know that you really care that much about singing, but you like the idea of being a pop star, and that just kind of taints it for me. And as a dancer, like, because the-there-there's so few people who actually could ever become rich off of it or, you know, or even famous for being a dancer.

Mara: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: And the level of dedication and difficulty that to-to become a dancer at that level, uh, it's just like-- And to do it knowing that, eh, you know, at best you'll be able to-- you'll work and you'll make money and-- but you're never gonna be-- You know, so it's like it doesn't-- it's not tainted for me.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: I think that's what I like about it.

Rob: Well, Sudeikis says that in the com- the com-com- the comedy version of it is when Sudeikis says it, and it's totally true.

Glenn: [chuckles]

Rob: Uh, "Well, you're not having fun, so I'm not having fun watching it."

Glenn: Yeah. [chuckles]

Rob: And that's exactly right. Like, it- that's-- goes for a-any discipline where if it-- and I think maybe that's part of the charm of the show, is that it-it's clear that we're having fun making it. And I think people are on board with that.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: And so I think it's the same thing here where I-I-I think it's clear that the people who are involved in this entire process loved what they were doing and I think it comes through.

Mara: I'm curious about the fan feedback from this, like what was some of that like? What have you heard from fans about the performance?

Rob: It was overwhelmingly positive.

Mara: Yeah.

Rob: I think it's just 'cause of the tone of the entire episode and where the character's arc was going which is very un-Sunny.

Mara: Right.

Rob: Um, but again, I think that's why people enjoy Sunny too, is that we are, um, not giving them the same episode over and over and over again.

Mara: Right.

Charlie: I mean, I-I feel like if there were criticisms, it was just that we sort of betrayed the existing tone of the show by doing something that was deadly serious. And I think this was the first time and one of the few times ever that we've done that where she was like--

Glenn: To this degree still sort of like--

Charlie: To this degree-

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: -to this like, which is not just like a moment, but an entire four or five minutes of like-

Glenn: Of not.

Charlie: -sorry, no jokes, and ending the episode, like, sorry, nothing.

Rob: Yeah, which is fair, which is fair. I get it. I-I-

Charlie: Sure, yeah.

Rob: -but I think we reserve the right at this point, um, especially if, when we're trying to do something, com-- for as long as we've been doing it, to mix it up and try--

Glenn: Those same people would be complaining about being bored that we keep doing the same things over and over again if-if we did, if we don't-- gone that way.

Charlie: We can't make everybody happy.


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Mara: Would any of you guys do Dancing With The Stars?

Glenn: Hell no.

Rob: No.

Charlie: No.

Mara: Okay, didn't think so. No. All right.

Charlie: Not 'cause of the dancing though.

Rob: [chuckles] 'Cause of the stars.

Charlie: Yeah.

Mara: Yeah.

Charlie: More 'cause if it would feel like a--

Mara: Has been?

Charlie: Yeah, there we go.

Mara: Yeah.

Glenn: This one feels like to me and yet, yeah-- Sorry, go ahead.

Charlie: Also, I just don't have-

Mara: It's a mix.

Charlie: -like it just doesn't interest me.

Glenn: It would be funny like, sign up for Dancing With The Stars only to find out that, uh, you're not the star. You're dancing with somebody who's a bigger star than you.


I thought I was the-- Oh, shit.

Rob: No, you're the dance.

Glenn: Oh, yeah, I'm the dancer?

Charlie: You're dancing with the star.

Glenn: There's been a mistake. There's been a mistake. [chuckles]

Mara: All right.

Glenn: Is that the last-

Mara: No-

Glenn: -of the dances?

Mara: -there's, uh, two more.

Glenn: Oh, great.

Mara: Okay.

Charlie: More dancing.

Glenn: What dancing?

Charlie: What do you think about this thing?

Rob: [laughs]

Dennis: Oh, hey. I do like that. I love that.

Glenn: This scene was really hard to cut together. Remember, Charlie?

Charlie: Yeah, it was.

Glenn: We spent a lot of fucking time on this. I don't know why.

Dennis: I don't think there's a lot. Why are we doing it? [laughter]

Rob: There's a lot of that.

Charlie: Tell you what, man? Roller skating was trickier than I thought it was gonna be.

Glenn: Well, now, you grew up- you grew up playing hockey. You grew up on ice skates. It's different--

Charlie: I-I knew how to ice skate but it felt different. So it's been a while since I've been on either, but--

Glenn: We should have put you on blades, but that just doesn't have the same right look-- that doesn't have the right look to it.

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glenn: You know, they gotta be on four wheels.

Rob: [crosstalk] blade link.

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah. It's not the right thing.

Glenn: It's not the right thing, you know. Um, you pulled it off, you pulled it off. It was a little scary.

Charlie: Yeah, I moved around. Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charlie: It's okay.


Charlie: All right. Here we go.

Rob: Nice.

Glenn: Okay. Here we go, yeah. So these girls are all--

Rob: Yes.

Glenn: Like skaters and Kaitlin.

[Just a Girl by No Doubt playing]


Rob: She is having a hard time just standing still.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: And do we want to give away which parts are-- I think it's pretty obvious, right? Which parts are hers, which parts are-

Rob: Oh, yeah.

Glenn: -her stunt double.

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: Kaitlin with the stunts.

Charlie: Yeah, boy.

Glenn: She could practically be a stunt man at this point.

Rob: Stunt person.

Glenn: Stunt person.

Charlie: Well, that was the stunt person in that, right?

Rob: Oh,

Glenn: That was the running into the wall?

Rob: Yeah, actually hitting the wall, yes.

Glenn: Ah.

Charlie: That was the stunt performer.

Rob: Yes. Oh, see the magic of Hollywood? You didn't even know that.

Charlie: Didn't even notice it.

Rob: Well, I look forward to years of dancing with you- with you all.

Mara: 'Cause that's the other thing. There's a timestamp on a dancer like a 25-

Glenn: Right.

Mara: -year old. So, it's a lot different than, like an aging comedian.

Glenn: It's tough on the body- tough on the body.

Rob: Yeah. Aging comedian.

Glenn: An aging comedian.

Rob: At 45.

Charlie: An aging comedian. [crosstalk]

Glenn: Aging clowns have a tough time with it.

Rob: Middle age dancing clowns.

Mara: Yeah.

Glenn: Middle-aged dancing clowns have a tougher time with it.

Rob: Hey, Siri, play Yung Joc, It's Going Down.

[It's Going Down by Yung Joc playing]

Mara: You gotta like--

Charlie: That's where you go. That's where you do that.

Mara: Pull it back, yeah.

Glenn: Yes, you gotta- you gotta have the-- I mean, if you're doing- if you're doing your bike right, they're all the way up here.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Serious handlebars like this.

Glenn: You got the bangers.

Mara: [laughs]

Glenn: Yeah, yeah.

Rob: Nice. Organized choreographed dance.

Mara: All right.

[End Credits]


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