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57. The Gang Gets Extreme: Home Makeover Edition

On the pod, the guys revisit The Gang Gets Extreme: Home Makeover Edition from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Season 4, Episode 12.

Charlie Day: Uh.

Glenn Howerton: Hey, good for you, uh?

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: A Critics' Choice Award. Did you actually get invited to, or--

Rob McElhenney: We g- we got invited to it. We were nominated-

Glenn: Invited?

Rob: -and we won.

Glenn: You won?

Charlie: Nominated and won.

Rob: We won.

Charlie: What was the--

Rob: Well, no, you don't win a Critics' Choice Award, you-you become the Critic's Choice. That's how they announce it. They say, "And the-

Charlie: For?

Rob: -Critic's Choice is--"

Glenn: What is-- And wha-what's the category?

Rob: Welcome to Wrexham, Best documentary-- What? Best sports documentary-

Glenn: Best sports documentary? [crosstalk]

Rob: -in the world.

Glenn: I-is it in the world?

Rob: I don't know.

Glenn: [laughs]

Rob: I'll say there was-- There wa- there was a few that were not English language, so maybe, yeah. There was one French one. There was one that was mostly in Russian, but that was made by an English-speaking filmmaker.

Glenn: Well then, there you go. There's your answer right there.

Rob: One was made by Peter Jackson. He is not an American.

Glenn: No, he's not.

Megan Ganz: You beat Peter Jackson?

Rob: No. Uh, his-his movie was more about sport-- uh, was about music. He did the, uh-

Megan: Uh.

Rob: -the Beatles documentary, which was-

Megan: Mm.

Rob: -terrific.

Glenn: The Beatles being--

Rob: A band, um-

Glenn: Yep.

Rob: -from-- originally from Liverpool.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Uh, they hit the scene in the '60s-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -changed the world of music.

Glenn: I do-- You know what? Actually I-- Yes. Okay. That. Yes, I have heard of them. Yeah. No, no. You know what I realize, guys? I did not-- I accidentally did not grab a-- Cut that- cut that- cut that mug. I grabbed a David Hornsby original.

Rob: Wow.

Megan: Yeah. [crosstalk]

Charlie: That's f-- A David Hornsby original?

Megan: Yeah, he drew that. [crosstalk]

Glenn: Yes, David Hornsby drew this. That's, uh-

Charlie: Wow.

Glenn: -that's Kanye there-

Charlie: Yeah. Yeah.

Glenn: -riding on the back of that.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Prescient.

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Very prescient. Yeah, 'cause he did this-- Wait-- This was basically just like a summary of 2020. [chuckles]

Megan: Yeah.

Glenn: It's just a--

Charlie: Yeah. [crosstalk]

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: 2020 mug.

Glenn: This is really-- It's really an impressive-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: He's a talented artist.

Glenn: He's very talented. [crosstalk]

Megan: He is. He's also very territorial of his coffee mugs. There was a big mug for a while in the Mythic Quest offices that just said in bold letters, "This mug belongs to David Hornsby."

Glenn: Now, what is that? Is that because he doesn't like other people's lips, uh-

Megan: [chuckles]

Glenn: -touching the things that--

Charlie: No.

Glenn: You know what I mean? Like, is it that? Is it like a cleanliness thing? [crosstalk]

Charlie: It-it might be that that is like, that's his favorite mug to drink out of, and it's like, ah, I never--

Glenn: Somebody grabs it.

Charlie: I brought it 'cause I like to drink my coffee out of it so much and someone else keeps using it.

Megan: It was a slightly larger size- [crosstalk]

Glenn: He didn't drink coffee though.

Megan: -so maybe he's very particular about size of mug.

Charlie: I feel like I ever see him drinking anything out of a mug.

Megan: No.

Glenn: Uh, no. What would he be drinking out of a mug? He's not a coffee drinker-

Megan: Tea.

Glenn: -right?

Charlie: Tea.

Glenn: He's drinking tea.

Charlie: Tea.

Rob: He does drink tea.

Glenn: That feels very--

Rob: He's been drinking energy drinks recently.

Charlie: I know.

Rob: The Rock's-

Glenn: He's been-

Rob: -energy drink.

Glenn: -he's been drinking The Rock's energy drinks.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: He sees The Rock and he's like-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -"That's what I aspire to."

Rob: [chuckles]

Glenn: You know, clearly based on how he has transformed, um, he's not doing much towards that.

Rob: [laughs]

Megan: David is always one energy drink away from being The Rock, so might as well--

Glenn: I wish you'd stuck with just one energy.

Megan: [chuckles]

Glenn: He is always one energy away from--

Charlie: He does seem petrified. Right? 'Cause the Rock's sort of--

Glenn: Oh.

Megan: Very good, Charlie. Very good.

Glenn: I don't know. Hey, listen, so we've been- we've been breaking stories all day, so--

Megan: Yeah.

Rob: Yeah. I'm gonna say I feel guilty. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Yeah, we're tired, man.

Rob: I do feel guilty. I'm gonna admit that to you guys-

Glenn: Good.

Rob: -and to the audience.

Glenn: Good, good, good, good.

Charlie: Good, good, good, good.

Megan: You should.

Rob: I'm feeling shame, I'm feeling guilt. [crosstalk]

Glenn: So, why don't you tell 'em? Well, tell-tell-tell the audience what you did to us.

Rob: I've been out of the writer's room for a full day and a half.

Glenn: [sighs] Two days effectively.

Charlie: Uh, yeah. That's a long time.

Rob: Effectively, two days. What time did you guys get in there today, 10:00?

Charlie: Uh, I was there by 8:30-

Glenn: 10:00.

Charlie: -in the morning.

Rob: Oh. All right, so, yeah, almost a full day, uh, so I've missed almost two days. Um, I had to do some traveling for s- this other show that I do, um, so I wanna say that I-- First off, I appreciate you all for-

Glenn: Mm.

Rob: -for-for putting in the work, um, and all I can do is promise you that-that when I go-- when I get back in there, I'm gonna do my best to make up for it.

Glenn: You know what the worst part is? I didn't even notice you were gone.


Rob: Was it more- was it more pleasurable or was it just sort of--

Glenn: Smoother, just sort of like-

Rob: Easier?

Glenn: -everything just felt easier, smoother, less volatile.

Charlie: Say, like, yeah, like, the ideas were better. Like-

Glenn: The ideas were better.

Charlie: -you didn't have that thing constantly where you're like you hear-- you keep hearing this terrible idea and you have to, like, re-direct the room and like--

Glenn: Right, and your whole, the side that-

Charlie: Who said that? [crosstalk]

Glenn: -it's coming from gets tense.

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Rob: Somebody putting in the no buts.

Charlie: [sighs] Yeah.

Glenn: No, very untrue. Very untrue-

Charlie: Uh, no- [crosstalk]

Glenn: -it's always great to have you there.

Charlie: -just, uh, you know what it's like- you know what it's like being in that room.

Glenn: It's hard-

Charlie: It's just the-

Glenn: -yeah.

Charlie: -room.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: It's just doing- doing the work. [crosstalk]

Glenn: Well, and I think we're- I think we're just getting warmed up too. Right? We're- we're- we're getting warmed up. It takes a second. Right?

Megan: First- first story is always the hardest. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Just-just getting going.

Glenn: First story.

Rob: Now, did you guys break a story? That was the plan. You were gonna-

Glenn: Yeah-

Rob: -work on that.

Glenn: -we did.

Charlie: We are- we are mid-story.

Glenn: We're- we're- we're--

Rob: Amazing.

Glenn: We have a loose, a very loose-

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: -very loose break that, uh-

Charlie: Uh.

Glenn: -I think it'd be great to have fresh eyes on. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Yeah, yeah. We just need to-

Rob: Exciting.

Charlie: -dig in and flesh out some more, but, um--

Glenn: I mean--

Rob: We do have a lot of good ideas and we haven't really talked about the-the room yet on-on the podcast.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: For this most recent season, we have a lot of note cards up there-

Charlie: Yeah.

Rob: -a lot of really great ideas.

Glenn: True. Um-

Charlie: Uh.

Glenn: -more than I thought we were gonna have-

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: -if I'm honest. I was-- I'm-- I went home after that first, uh, day or maybe it was after the second day of us just kind of blue-skying and, uh, I told Jill, I was like, "I-I-I think we got some really good ideas this-this year."

Charlie: I feel like we felt fresh this year 'cause it's been a minute since we've all been in the room, so--

Glenn: Is that- is that what it was?

Charlie: Maybe?

Glenn: Yeah. A little fresher?

Charlie: It's a nice room. Like, the room itself is like a big old window and it feels like--

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: [burps]



Rob: This episode, Extreme Home Makeover. Oh my God.

Charlie: Well. [sighs]

Rob: This-this episode's crazy.

Glenn: It's insane.

Charlie: This episode is crazy.

Rob: Crazy.

Megan: So, I set us up with some information-

Rob: Yes, please.

Megan: -structure.

Glenn: Yeah.

Megan: Okay. Season 4, Episode 12, The Gang Gets Extreme: Home Makeover Edition, aired on November 13th, 2008, was written by Charlie, Glenn, and David and directed by Fred Savage. In this episode, the gang realizes they must help others to achieve their dream, so they redecorate a poor family's home à la Extreme Mo-- Makeover Home Edition. The only problem is that the family is not in on the plan.


Glenn: Yeah, we neglected to tell, but that's part of the surprise, isn't it? [crosstalk]

Megan: Yeah, yeah, you didn't tell them. Yeah. Yeah.

Glenn: That's part of the excitement of it-

Charlie: Well, that was the--

Glenn: -is being thrust into a situation where you're like, "We're gonna-- You know, we're gonna change your--"

Charlie: Wasn't that the thing with the show, that people were surprised?

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: They didn't know-

Glenn: I can't remember.

Charlie: -they were gonna get a home makeo--

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: -uh, renovation and then they surprise these families by basically like doing it. Like they--

Glenn: With a lot of energy.

Charlie: They would, like, take someone outta town, be like, "Hey, I'm gonna-- You're gonna go visit your grandma." and then- and then they come back and be like, "Look at your new home." or--

Glenn: Yeah, your kid said--

Charlie: Maybe they knew. [crosstalk]

Rob: They didn't know at all? I think- I think they knew. [crosstalk]

Charlie: They must've known something.

Megan: The difference is they don't surprise them in the middle of the night by screaming and dragging them from the trash bag. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Good morning, Juarez family.


Glenn: [laughs] Go, go, go, go, go.

Charlie: Good morning, Juarez family.

Rob: Wake up, my brown friend. It's time to change your life. Yeah.


Charlie: I said inspirational music. What is that?

Glenn: Kind of inspirational.

Charlie: All right, that's cool. That's cool, I guess.

Frank: Come here, you little rugrat.

Megan: The way that was shot was, like, insane. Did-- I was--

Glenn: Yeah, we shot it at a high frame rate. [crosstalk]

Rob: Yeah, that was high frame rate, yeah.

Megan: Yeah. Did the episo-- the idea come out of the idea of, instead of a home makeover, you're doing a home invasion? Like, 'cause that's what it felt like. That scene felt like a home invasion, like a-

Glenn: No.

Megan: -scary home invasion movie.

Glenn: You know, it was- it was- it was- it was based on, you know, the idea of wanting to do an extreme home makeover episode, but doing it in the most-

Megan: Extreme way?

Glenn: -wrong and extreme possible way, like really latching onto the extreme aspect of it.

Charlie: Extreme, yeah.

Rob: Wouldn't that-- that's-- That would be a slower frame rate, right, to create that step-y feel? [crosstalk]

Glenn: Uh, no, no.

Rob: It was high?

Glenn: You have to shoot at a higher frame rates. Oh, I see what you're saying. Shit. [crosstalk]

Rob: Um. Sarah? Sarah?

Glenn: We did whatever Steven Spielberg did when he shot on the beaches of Normandy.

Charlie: Yeah.

Sarah: Hi.

Glenn: Hi. [crosstalk]

Rob: Hi.


Glenn: Our DP, everybody.

Rob: This is our DP, Sarah.

Sarah: Um, so, like, the shutter angle is smaller, so less light comes in, so you don't get, like, the sort of natural motion of blur that you get with your regular, like, 24 or 23 frames per second.

Megan: That's what makes it that weird?

Sarah: Yeah. That effect you're talking about, the beaches of Normandy, where it's like-- [imitates explosion]

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: Great.

Glenn: Okay, cool.

Rob: Thank you.

Glenn: Good to know.

Megan: Thank you, Sarah.

Charlie: Here's what I was trying to remember watching it. Now I remember some of this was done in Philly, in Kensington-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: Yes.

Charlie: -some of it was done in LA-

Rob: Yep.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -but the interior of the house that we're like wrecking and breaking--

Glenn: LA.

Rob: LA.

Charlie: Wha-- was it a set-

Megan: It was a set. [crosstalk]

Charlie: -we built?

Rob: That was a set.

Glenn: It's a set, yeah. It was on a stage. [crosstalk]

Rob: That one was a set, yeah.

Glenn: It was on a stage. Where was that stage though?

Charlie: Season 4, it was the one in, uh-

Glenn: Culver City.

Charlie: -Culver City.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: Right, right, right.

Rob: And we didn't-- We definitely didn't bring the family to Philadelphia, so, like, that final reveal shot is two different- two different--

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Oh, we shot-- Right. We shot one- [crosstalk]

Charlie: We got a matching bus.

Glenn: -side in LA and the other--

Rob: Yep. It was easier to get a matching bus-

Glenn: -than to get--

Megan: Than to bring the family there?

Rob: I guess so, I don’t know.

Charlie: You know, 'cause, yeah, we'll pay for a hotel room and-- But, you know, it's so funny. Like, there are parts of this episode that are a little clunky, like the vision board explanation of why we're doing what we're doing, and then there are parts that are just so damn funny 'cause they're just basic jokes about you wearing shorts that are--

Rob: Well, that's the funniest sequence and one of the funniest scenes I think in the history of the show.

Glenn: I do remember us talking about that. Obviously, that was a choice we made in the writer's room. That was not an improvised scene although there is, um, improvisation happening in that-- in the take, um, but how did that--

Charlie: I think we were just laughing about the funny difference between-

Glenn: Cut-offs and--

Charlie: -those-- that look of the cutoff shorts and the- [crosstalk]

Glenn: Versus that, yeah.

Charlie: -boots and the jean shorts.

Glenn: Yeah, but-but-but the-the whole, like, widespread thing like-- What was-- Wa-was that based on the fact that-that-- Did I do something like that in the room and we were like, "Oh, we should do that on the show."? Like, what--

Rob: I don't know.

Glenn: I don't remember.

Megan: Go lower. [crosstalk]

Rob: We were trying to justify why you were wearing them, I don't know. I really don't know.

Megan: Uh, my favorite is that you say, "It's--" You can't go lower 'cause of your shorts and your hips.

Rob: And-and your hips.

Glenn: And your hips, but--

Megan: You say you got a--

Glenn: Yeah, but-but-but the point is, your shorts aren't preventing you from doing what you need to do.

Charlie: It's really funny, right?

Glenn: [chuckles]

Charlie: So that whole scene is just about the shorts? Does something else happ--

Glenn: [sighs] Well, it's about the tool belt initially, I think, uh.

Charlie: The tool belt gets stolen. [crosstalk]

Megan: You guys wanna watch it?

Glenn: No, but it's before that.

Rob: Yeah, I'd like to watch it again. I--

Glenn: Yeah, sure, but I-- as-- no, it's us putting on the tool belt and then and-and me explaining the tool belt and then you saying like, "That's great, but I wanna talk about these shorts."

Charlie: All right, lemme ask you a question then. How come you have that awesome fray on your shorts?

Glenn: Well, ha-ha. That, sir, is because you purchased blue jean shorts whereas-

Rob: Can you stop it for a second?

Glenn: -I purchased blue jeans and cut--

Rob: So this is where- th-this is where it all works for me. But now the whole scene is not even about jean shorts or home makeovers, it's about Dennis-

Glenn: Yes.

Rob: -wanting to teach Charlie something-

Glenn: Right.

Rob: -uh, and to be helpful.

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: Because you've got information that you were hoping to-to God he asked you about because you wanna share this information with him.

Glenn: Well, you learn things throughout the course of your life, right? You take in certain lessons. You have certain experiences where you-- and you build upon them, hopefully, to build a better life-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -for yourself. And I've built a better, uh, life for myself when-when it comes to shorts because of the knowledge that I have about the difference between cutting them yourself, well, versus buying them-

Megan: [chuckles]

Rob: So this is--

Glenn: -and I'm excited to share that with some-- with my friend who also stands to now have a better life.

Rob: So this is a great example of an actor-- It's-it's-- the scene is so stupid, the joke is so stupid, but it's an actor making a choice that's very specific, right, where you're saying, "Okay. In my head, I'm-- the way I'm gonna perform this, is-- I really-- I was hoping he would ask me this so that I can deliver this information in a way-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -that really informs him, so that when-- so he can ha-- he can enjoy this as well."

Glenn: Yeah, probably I--

Charlie: Which I do wind up doing a few seasons later.

Rob: Yes.

Charlie: In the pool.

Glenn: Oh-oh, in the pool.

Megan: In the pool, yeah.

Charlie: Which is that Dennis told me about the shorts-

Rob: Yeah. [laughs]

Charlie: -that's why I have them.

Glenn: Well, that's right, which is why you brought that back. [crosstalk]

Rob: That's how you can go so low.

Glenn: Yep, yeah.

Charlie: Why did you cut them so high?

Glenn: Right, well-

Charlie: Way higher than mine.

Glenn: -I thought you might ask that. See, it limits restriction of leg movement. I anticipated this.

Charlie: Oh, you get more work done 'cause you got more legroom.

Glenn: Exactly.

Charlie: Well, you sure about that?

Glenn: Lemme do a little demonstration on you. Take the tool belt off for a second.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Lemme-lemme-lemme--

Charlie: Yep, yeah.

Glenn: You filling in the gap.

Charlie: Let's get a demo.

Glenn: Take a wide stance. Take the widest stance that you possibly can. Let me see how that would play.

Charlie: Okay, leg movement. This is, uh.

Glenn: Go as wide as you can.

Charlie: If I'm going wide and I'm being honest with you-

Glenn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -I'm maxing out about here.

Glenn: That's not bad, but check this out.

Rob: You don't wanna make him feel bad. It's not bad. [laughs]

Charlie: Go. Go. Oh.

Glenn: Yeah, the--

Charlie: Anymore?

Glenn: That's it, but that's pretty wide. Right?


Charlie: That is good, you know, and you're not getting any high ride.

Glenn: That's it. Getting a high ride-

Charlie: That's better.

Glenn: -but the shorts aren't preventing me from doing what I need to do.

Rob: Um, can you pause it again?

Charlie: Why are you doing that?

Rob: Now-- Okay, now--

Glenn: I do remember talking about this.

Rob: You get in the-- As Charlie's saying, you're not getting the high ride. He's saying, "No, I'm getting the high ride."

Glenn: [laughs] Yeah.

Rob: Now, and Charlie's laughing, like, look here, he's--

Glenn: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yes. [crosstalk]

Charlie: How could I be-- How can I not be?

Glenn: Right, right.

Rob: He's laughing.

Charlie: But the character could be too.

Rob: Yeah. Now, why-

Glenn: [laughs]

Rob: -what is that movement? Why this? Why are you doing that?

Glenn: Uh, well, because-because when we were shooting it, um-- [crosstalk]

Megan: It's a little David Brent-y.

Rob: Little David Brent-y.

Glenn: Uh, yea-- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I did that on purpose, but I do remember, when we were shooting it, we were like, "It-it--" Just something about having just weird arm movements just made it funnier, just like having a kind of a strange posture and doing strange things with my arms, so I-I think we were just kind of experimenting with how to put a hat on it. [crosstalk]

Megan: This is why comedy is so hard to write because you-you pass over very quickly that you need to be able to take a wider stance to work more efficiently-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: -which doesn't make sense, but it doesn't matter 'cause you just blow past it and, like, get to the point that--

Charlie: That's why I'm curious. I-I can't remember, is there something in this that happens-

Glenn: I could explain it.

Charlie: -in this scene that moves the story forward or not? I can't remember.

Megan: Well, let's find out.

Glenn: Oh.

Charlie: And that's the shorts.

Glenn: That's exactly right. See, your shorts, they're holding you back, man. Well, that and your hips, but I gotta tell you, the shorts aren't helping.

Frank: Uh, this is- this is really all good shit.

Rob: Oh, Frank.

Frank: This is like gold, so what are you gonna do next?

Glenn: It's the discovery that-- You are catching all this? [crosstalk]

Frank: I got everything.

Glenn: All right, this is what we're gonna do next. Charlie, grab me that propane torch, I'm gonna burn the wall.

Charlie: Oh, you know what? Let's go at it with a wrecking ball for a little while-

Glenn: Really?

Charlie: -it'll be more extreme and kind of awesome. Okay, all right, so-- [crosstalk]

Glenn: Okay. All right, let's do that.

Charlie: Uh, so the scene is about establishing that he has a propane torch-

Rob: Propane torch.

Charlie: -and that he's gonna try these controlled burns, uh, and-

Glenn: Well, yeah.

Charlie: -and-

Megan: And that Frank's recording all of it.

Glenn: And Frank's recording it.

Charlie: -which is-- and Fr-- and that Frank's recording it, which is leading towards that the house is gonna burn down-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -but we-- you know, we have a little bit of a runner that we thought in the writer's room about these jean shorts and it winds up becoming the entire scene.

Rob: The whole scene and then it comes back at the end 'cause you're like, "Well, how are we gonna end the scene?" Well, it just goes back to the jean shorts."

Megan: Oh, yeah, it goes back.

Glenn: Well, but also-- but-but also like the ridiculousness of that conversation i--


Megan: And when you do it the second time, Charlie, it just--

Glenn: I was so low at the end.

Charlie: That is badass.

Glenn: He's saying it's badass.

Charlie: It's just like-- What? The way your body's kind of - [crosstalk]

Glenn: I know. It's just weird. [crosstalk]

Rob: Now, can we pull that screenshot up again, Meg? I'd like to see-- Now how old are you here? Probably--

Glenn: 20-- Uh, 2008, so 32?

Rob: 32. Now how low can you go now?

Glenn: Mm.

Rob: Can we see? Can we just try?

Charlie: Well, you'd have to cut the jeans.

Glenn: These jeans are-are a little tight for that.

Rob: Pop 'em off.


Glenn: We got any of those, uh-

Charlie: We could do a separate thing where you-

Glenn: -V-Vuoris?

Charlie: -wear--

Rob: You got any of those Vuori shorts?

Charlie: You pop on some Vuoris and-

Megan: I think you guys took them all home.

Charlie: -and then you send us a video later.

Megan: Yeah, we'll pop it in the podcast. [crosstalk]

Charlie: And we cut it in.

Glenn: Okay, maybe I'll have Jill shoot-shoot a video. It's been 14 years since we shot the Extreme Home Makeover episode back in 2008 and, uh we're gonna see how low I can go 14 years later because I haven't tested it in a really long time. I have no idea, but, uh, you know, I got something better than cut-off jean shorts today, I got my Vuoris on, so these are not gonna restrict me from doing what I need to do. All right? So, here we go. Let's see how low I can go.


[sighs] You know, I don't think I can go any lower than that, otherwise, I think I'm seriously gonna hurt myself. But that's pretty low. That's pretty low. It's weird 'cause I'm not flexible, but I've always been flexible that way.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: I mean, not flexible by some people's standards, but by normal standards.

Rob: You can go lower.

Charlie: That's pretty damn flexible, man.

Glenn: I can't go lower than that.

Charlie: I-I've never-

Glenn: I don't think I can go lower than that.

Charlie: -been able to go that wide.

Glenn: It's pretty flexible, yeah.

Rob: So, my takeaway from this episode is like, uh, some of it works, some of it doesn't, but that scene is perfection.

Glenn: Yeah, we've had like a couple of iconic, uh, moments, and that kind of makes up for all of the rest of it.

Charlie: Yeah. I mean-

Glenn: Uh, I don't--

Charlie: -even-even Dee's broken Spanish is very funny.

Glenn: Yeah.

Kaitlin Olson: Somebody took a couple years of Spanish in high school, so- [crosstalk]

Rob: Oh, okay. You remember it?

Kaitlin: -I'm gonna dust off the cobwebs-

Rob: Good.

Kaitlin: -and see if I can fire off a couple phrases.

Rob: All right, tell them, um, to relax, first off-

Kaitlin: Uh-huh.

Rob: -'cause they look a little tense-

Kaitlin: Okay.

Rob: -and then, uh, we're gonna build them a new house-

Kaitlin: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -and a new life-

Kaitlin: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -just like on Extreme Makeover on TV.

Kaitlin: Okay, okay. [Spanish language]

Mr. Juarez: Uh, [Spanish language]?

Rob: Uh, [Spanish language]-

Kaitlin: Yes.

Rob: -they get it.

Kaitlin: [laughs] I still got it.

Rob: They got it. [Spanish language].

Kaitlin: Yeah. [Spanish language]. Yeah, America.

Megan: Noticed from my rewatch that Retta is in this episode.

Glenn: Retta? Yeah.

Charlie: Yes, and-- [crosstalk]

Megan: Yeah, how did you guys know her?

Charlie: I mean, no-- [crosstalk]

Glenn: I think-- I don't think we did.

Charlie: I mean, I think she probably auditioned, you know?

Megan: Obviously, pre-Parks and Rec.

Charlie: Yeah, this is--

Megan: Yeah.

Rob: She auditioned and was really funny and we-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -hired her. And she was really funny in the episode. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Yeah, it was like, someone that talented comes in and they're starting-- they're probably early-- I-I'm assuming it's pretty early in her career.

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: Uh, and, you know, it's like a no-brainer. You're like, "Okay, she makes the scene way better."

Megan: Yeah.

Charlie: Even her just-

Megan: Staring at you? [crosstalk]

Charlie: -even her looks to us as we're-

Megan: Yeah, it's funny.

Charlie: -discussing--

Glenn: That's why we put so many of them in-

Megan: Yeah.

Glenn: -'cause her looks were great, you know.

Megan: Just holding on you guys-

Charlie: Yeah.

Megan: -and then she watches you clearly force somebody into opening a credit card and does it anyway.

Charlie: Yeah, sure. [crosstalk]

Megan: She's like, it's not her problem.

Glenn: It's not just, yeah-- it's not-- that's-- Yeah.

Rob: I think a lot of this had to do with us watching Apocalypto and loving it, 'cause it's a great movie, but then talking about it and talking about, very specifically, that ending, the ending to the movie. And we were-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -in the writer's room, and we were like, "That's a pretty fucked up ending." And then there was a lot of- there was a lot of back-and-forth as to what that-

Charlie: Well, there were different interpretations, right?

Rob: -meaning-- There was different interpretations, there was the right one and the wrong one.

Charlie: Well, you had the interpretation that-that it was-- what's in the scr-- uh, in the episode, right-

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: -that it's like--

Rob: Which I-I believe--

Megan: Can you- can you fill me in on-- I never watched it. What? Apocalypto. Can you explain that?

Glenn: I never watched it either.

Rob: Oh, it's so good.

Megan: But what's the end that--

Charlie: Well, after the main character, right, goes through the most harrowing experience, uh, there's a shot of, like, these Spanish ships coming and, uh-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -and--

Rob: Just to set it up even more, the whole movie is about how this one guy is about to be sacrificed. There was, like, sacrificing slaves to the Sun God. And then he was just about to be sacrificed, um, and there was an eclipse and people thought that it was, like, God speaking to them. Anyway, he escaped and he spends the whole movie trying to escape from his-his captors who are just trying to execute him. And it's really just, like, riveting the entire thing, but then the final shot is he, like, finally escapes and he gets to the edge of this cliff and he looks out, and you see these European ships coming in. So there's two interpretations.

Glenn: Oh, I see.

Rob: I think- I think- I think the other one's valid, but I don't think it's true, knowing what we know about Mel Gibson.

Charlie: M-m-ma-my, sure. Yeah, my, uh, initial takeaway seeing that was like, "Oh, the-the-the death and destruction is still coming."

Megan: Yeah. The bigger danger is yet to-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: Bigger and more danger, and you are living in an Apocalypto existence.

Rob: Which is fa-- That's valid. That's fair. Like, and-and I remember-

Glenn: Uh.

Rob: -you-you saying that, and I was like, "Oh, right. That's not the way- the way I interpreted it." but that'd be interesting. Um, I think based on Mel, and Mel's beliefs and his and m-m-m--

Megan: And your long friendship with him, and how close you guys are. [crosstalk]

Rob: And, yeah, of course, like sitting down with Mel, having coffee and discussing it. But he's- he's like a-a staunch Catholic, hardcore Catholic and believes in-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -and-and-and if I recall correctly, we'll have to look at that final shot that I think those ships had, like, crosses on them, I believe. If not, the implication is there that they brought Christianity to that part of the world in-in-

Charlie: Sure.

Rob: -and co-- and colonized that region and wiped out most of the culture and people. And I believe what the movie was saying was, "Don't worry, everybody. It's all about to get better."

Glenn: But there's gonna have to be some shit that goes down first.

Rob: A lot of you are gonna-- Yeah.

Glenn: Perish.

Rob: A lot of you are gonna perish. [crosstalk]

Megan: Yeah, we're gonna- we're gonna teach you a religion that doesn't sacrifice people-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Megan: -but in order to make sure that you learn it, we have to kill lots of you.

Glenn: We're gonna have to slaughter the ones who get in our way, yeah.

Rob: -Directly and indirectly with disease.


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Megan: In this episode, uh, Mac envisions impregnating Danica Patrick while getting drunk in the Sahara Desert on a dune buggy.

Glenn: On a dune buggy.

Rob: On a dune buggy.

Charlie: But he's lying to himself 'cause there's a lot of naked dudes on that vision board too.

Rob: Are there?

Glenn: Are there?

Charlie: Yeah, there's buff-- Well, there's buff dudes and--

Glenn: Oh, well, that's how he envisions-- All right. At the time, that was how he was envisioning himself.

Rob: So, yeah.

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: He's the buff dude in that scenario.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: But, uh, yeah, upon further reflection, it-it could very well be, uh, what he aspires to--

Charlie: [unintelligible 00:23:32] vision to go there. [crosstalk]

Megan: Looking up Danica Patrick. Where is she known from? Where is--

Rob: She's a race- she's a race car driver.

Glenn: Race car driver.

Charlie: Drives cars very fast.

Megan: Oh, and that's what-- [crosstalk]

Glenn: What's she- what's she up to these days? I don't- I don't pay attention to sports.

Charlie: Now, why is it you cannot, like-- Do people race cars until they're very, very old? Or is that something like-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -like any other sport where you're like, well, after a certain age--

Glenn: Well, I mean, once your--

Rob: Some, yeah.

Glenn: When your reflexes start to slow down, you know, yeah, I think it-it becomes more difficult to compete at a certain level, but yeah, do they have like a senior-senior tour?


You know, like.

Charlie: Probably do.

Glenn: Yeah, seems pretty dangerous-

Rob: [laughs]

Glenn: -but I think they go- I think they go as long as they- as long as they can. But there's a reason why, you know, uh, I believe, you know, my dad was a-- an airline pilot and he, I believe, at the time, they-they had to retire by 60. They couldn't work past the age of 60, but now I think they've increased it to 65.

Rob: [unintelligible 00:24:26].

Glenn: I think they pushed it to 65 now-

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -which seems- which seems right, um, you know, 'cause if you can pass the physical and--

Rob: People are going-- living longer, healthier-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -lives now.

Glenn: Right.

Charlie: I think it depends on the individual.

Megan: She competed at the 2018 Daytona 500, um, and the Indianapolis 500 before officially retiring in 2018.

Glenn: Ah.

Megan: So she-she did drive for a long--

Glenn: At the tender age of?

Megan: Well, now, she is 40, so I guess she was-

Rob: Young.

Megan: -36 then.

Charlie: That's the thing. Why-why can't she keep driving at 40?

Glenn: Do you guys have- do you guys have weird experiences in your 40s where like certain-- I had a thing-- We were in Joshua Tree this weekend and, uh, we were- we were climbing rocks and doing that whole thing. And I had a couple moments where I just, like, was like, "I shouldn't be doing this." You know? And-and when I was younger, I mean, I-I was a monkey.

I would climb anything. Like, I-I-I was fearless and always felt very coordinated and had good, like, peripheral vision. And it was not hard for me to sort of navigate very, you know, uneven terrain or whatever. I was on some of these rocks and I was-- and I just like, "I'm gonna fall. I'm gonna kill myself. I'm gonna die if I'm--" You know what I mean? And I was like that-- and I was like, "Shit, I don't want to get- I don't want to get to that place where I feel-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -like--"

Rob: I think it's just like-- That's biochemical, man. It's just your body being like, "Nah."

Glenn: Nah.

Charlie: I-I-I don't wanna be on slippery rocks at any age.

Megan: [laughs]

Glenn: They're not slippery. That's the thing-

Rob: They-they're very dry. [crosstalk]

Glenn: -about the rocks at Joshua Tree, they're extremely grippy. I don't know if you've done much climbing Joshua Tree, but it's--

Megan: Is it as the-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: Yeah.

Rob: Well, let me ask you this. Did you wear a helmet and did you have your kids wear a helmet?

Glenn: No.

Rob: Yeah. So this is- this is what kill--

Glenn: I didn't see anybody wearing it. [crosstalk]

Rob: I don't know what to do here. I know. I know, but you go-- I know.

Charlie: What kind of climbing are you talking about? You just go up like a little pile of rocks? [unintelligible 00:26:12] [crosstalk]

Rob: No. You're-you're scrambling up some serious--

Glenn: Well, I mean we weren't quite doing that, but we were- we were in situations where-- You know what, actually-- This is what I said to Jill. I-I-I actually don't think-- And I'm not totally sure about this, but-but what it actually felt to me, like, as I was getting dizzy, but I don't think it was actually because I was worried about myself following-- falling, it was because I didn't feel like I could fully concentrate on what I was doing, 'cause I was afraid my kids-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -were gonna fall.

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: Right.

Glenn: And that was making me, like, disoriented and dizzy, because I was, like, so scared that, like, my kids were gonna slip and-- Yeah, I never-- I wouldn't even think-- Yeah, and we-- you know, the stupid thing is--

Rob: The-they say like, number one, wear a goddamn helmet. Like, how many, like, head injuries that--

Glenn: You're so right.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: And we had helmets too because we had the kids.

Rob: But here- but here's the-- but here, okay. This is a true parenting concern-

Glenn: Mm. Rob: -and I would love to hear what the- what the creeps and the listeners think about this, 'cause I don't know what the answer is. Cause I think-- I don't know if I did the right thing or the wrong thing. My kid Axel was super-- we went to Joshua Tree and he just, like, fell in love. He, for whatever reason, just took to scrambling up those rocks.

Glenn: Yeah. My kids did too. [crosstalk]

Rob: He found a group of kids and they just love it, and it's so fun. And-and, so he did it this whole first day and he had an absolute blast. And I-I went to bed and I was texting with a friend of mine who's a rock climber, like a legit rock climber, and I just said I had-had the most amazing time with my kid. And he's like, "Did he wear a helmet?" And I said, "No." He said, "Absolutely do not let him do that again without wearing a helmet, because-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -there's so many head injuries. It's-it's so common and people die all the time." So the next day, I got him a helmet and I was like, "Put on the helmet." And he's like, "I'm not wearing the helmet- I'm not wearing the helmet." I'm like, "You ha- you have to wear the helmet. I'm not letting you climb up that rock unless you wear that helmet." Puts on the helmet, goes up with a bunch of kids who weren't wearing helmets, 'cause I can't control other kids. And I don't know what was said or even if anything was said, but he was, like, humiliated by the whole thing-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -hasn't gone back since. Won't do it. He's just like, "I won't do it- I won't do it." And-and I get it.

Glenn: Yeah, totally.

Rob: So what do you do?

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: You don't wanna be the one nerd in the helmet.

Rob: No.

Charlie: Yeah. I get it too.

Megan: Don't have kids. [crosstalk]

Charlie: Like, I rode my bike--

Rob: Don't have kids. That's one answer.

Charlie: Yeah. Yeah-yeah.

Rob: That's one answer. That's fair.

Charlie: That's good. Good for the planet.

Megan: Yeah.

Charlie: Um, I mean, I rode my bike everywhere, never wore a helmet, man.

Glenn: No, I know, neither did I. As a kid, no.

Rob: Gotta wear a helmet.

Charlie: You should wear a helmet.

Rob: Kaitlin almost died when she was a kid in a bike accident.

Charlie: I know. But if you die, you die.

Rob: Yeah?

Glenn: That's callous.

Charlie: [laughs]

Rob: Well, that's easy. No, no, but if you die, you die, that's on you, like you, you can make-

Charlie: Right. But if your kid dies--

Rob: -but it's your kid, yeah.

Charlie: That's, uh--

Glenn: Yeah, no, it's-it's--

Megan: Looking uncool in front of your friends is worse than death-

Rob: A-agreed. Agreed.

Megan: -when you're that age, so I think that--

Rob: And so, they shouldn't be responsible for it, but as a parent, how do you weigh those things? Well, do I want my kid to not look cool, or do I want him to live? Well, the answer is I want him to live, but now I've taken away his passion for something.

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: Yeah-yeah. I mean, look, I-I think- I think the-the p- the problem is, like, I mean, if you-- when you go snowboarding or skiing or whatever, you know, 90% of the people are wearing-

Rob: Now.

Glenn: -helmets now.

Rob: It's hit critical mass-

Glenn: Yes.

Rob: -because so many people were fucking dying.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob: Well, in popular culture.

Glenn: Yes.

Charlie: You just keep bringing him back and be like, "No, we're going back to the place that you really enjoyed-

Glenn: And you're climbing, bitch.

Charlie: -and you- and you're climbing, and you're wearing a helmet."

Rob: You're climbing, nerd.

Charlie: You're climbing-

Megan: [chuckles]

Charlie: -with your nerd helmet on.

Glenn: That's right.

Rob: And if someone calls you a nerd, you know what you do? You beat the shit outta 'em.

Charlie: You know what?

Glenn: You know what?

Charlie: You push 'em down the rock, and they're not wearing a helmet, so-- She has a hearty laugh.

Glenn: [laughs]

Rob: Mara may have done that. Mar-mara may have done that.

Charlie: I did that.

Rob: I did that once. [crosstalk]

Charlie: I did that, it worked.

Glenn: You know what? Just have him-- May-maybe you can have him lean into it, wear like a full Evel Knievel outfit?

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: You know what I mean?

Charlie: Yeah. Give him a cool outfit. [crosstalk]

Glenn: So it actually looks cool. So it like-

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: -looks like he's doing it on purpose. [crosstalk]

Megan: Yeah. And a cape.

Glenn: Yeah with a fucking ca-- Oh-

Megan: Yeah.

Glenn: -a cape? Hell yeah.

Megan: Uh, I have a question for you. Are you exhibiting a similar behavior to him of always wearing protective gear when you do dangerous things?

Rob: I did. I wore- I wore a helmet, like, to show solidarity, and then he was like, "Well, now my dad's a dork too."

Megan: Oh, that's [unintelligible 00:30:14] [crosstalk]

Rob: And I was like, "Dude, trust me. I'm not a dork. Ask anybody here.

Megan: [laughs]

Rob: Ask anybody here." He's like, "Dad, you're the fucking worst." I'm like, "Yeah, I know."

Glenn: Dad, you're the fucking worst.

Rob: He didn't say that, but I inferred it. They didn't have a problem on-on-- they-- We-we took 'em snow-snowboarding and skiing, they had no problem 'cause everybody else was wearing--

Glenn: 'Cau-- That-that's what I was gonna say.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: You know, if everybody at Joshua Tree was climbing rocks and wearing helmets, it wouldn't be an issue, would it? Uh, but you're absolutely right. We-- I mean, no-not a single person that I saw s-scrambling rocks was, uh, was wearing a helmet. So it didn't even occur to me.

Rob: Yeah.

Glenn: I don't know why.

Megan: You guys do any-- Charlie said you ride-- rode bikes without helmets. Did you do any extreme things when you were younger, that looking back on it, it's like, "How did I ever survive that thing?"

Glenn: Oh, yeah.

Rob: So many stupid-

Glenn: Tons. Tons.

Rob: -things like, yeah.

Charlie: Yeah, but it was a different time.

Glenn: Climbing-climbing-

Rob: It was a more dangerous time. [crosstalk]

Glenn: -waterfalls, and you know, just-

Charlie: Oh, yeah.

Glenn: -with no-- you know, like, barefoot. No-- Definitely no helmet.

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: You know, it's just like dumb shit, like, on acid.

Megan: [chuckles]

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: A lot of-- Doing a lot of stupid things while-

Glenn: Stupid stuff. Stupid.

Rob: -inebriated and yeah, stupid, stupid.

Megan: Have you ever done any home renovation stuffs? Have you, uh, swung a sledgehammer-

Glenn: Oh, yeah.

Megan: -and knocked down a wall? Have you ever done that? [crosstalk]

Charlie: Dude, speaking of stupids, like, my-my buddy's dad, uh, used to have these, like, apartments, uh, in Newport, Rhode Island. And he gave me a job one summer, uh, repainting them. And this guy puts a ladder up three stories high. Right? So there's first floor, second floor, third floor. He ties the ladder to the, like, fire escape, and he's like, uh, this guy Mr. Merkel who's, like, a drill sergeant in the army and like a principal.

Awesome guy. Love him, great family. He's like, "All right, Charlie, you're gonna go up that ladder and just scrape the paint off the top of the roof." Now, to get to the top of the roof, you had to stand at the top of the ladder on one toe. So he was one toe with his body pressed against a building, three stories up.

Megan: Scraping.

Charlie: We weren't wearing fucking helmets, just scraping away, just scraping paint off this roof.

Megan: Imagine also not wearing masks or eye protective gear, so all that paint, just, like, right in your [unintelligible 00:32:20]. [crosstalk]

Glenn: No, no, just all the dust and paint, right just breathing it in. [crosstalk]

Charlie: And I'm like, "What happens if you fall?" He's like, "Grab the ladder 'cause the ladder will fall, but then it'll hit the fire escape and you won't go all the way to the ground."

Glenn: You got it, Mr. Merkel.

Charlie: Yeah, sir.

Glenn: Yes sir, Mr. Merkel.

Glenn: And I just-- I Juarezed that house. I mean, it was the worst paint job ever, and he had to redo it.

Megan: Oh my God.

Charlie: It was a good, like, running joke.

Megan: So you risked your life for no reason at all, then?

Rob: You risk it for, like, $20. [crosstalk]

Charlie: It was a job, he gave me a job. He's a guy you know, classy guy, you know. It's a good $4 an hour or whatever it was, but--

Megan: Oh my God.


Glenn: I mean, I-I-I-- my buddy, uh, Mark Dunlap and I, uh, had a job once when we were 18 years old, uh, working at a factory, and, like, doing stuff we had no business doing. Like, I-I didn't have any kind of a licensed-- I don't know if you need. Maybe. Do you need a license to drive a forklift? Any kind of a--

Rob: In Alabama?

Glenn: [laughs]

Rob: I doubt it.

Glenn: No, I mean-- [laughs]

Rob: [inaudible 00:33:12] but--

Glenn: Right-right.

Rob: Seems like you guys just did whatever the fuck you wanted down there.

Glenn: Well, we sure as hell did.

Rob: [unintelligible 00:33:16] so, yeah.

Glenn: You know what? 'Cause there's a lot of freedom down there.

Rob: Yeah. [chuckles] Yeah.

Glenn: A lot of fucking freedom down there. Uh, but so, uh, yeah driving forklifts and you know, working with, like, toxic materials and, like, having to wear, like, gas masks to-to-- 'cause there was, like, all kinds of toxic dust and shit like-- so many areas that were, like, flammable. We were fixer-- fixing machines that we didn't even know what they were or how to fix them. I was like, "What is this?" and getting paid $5.25 an hour.

Rob: Yeah.

Megan: [chuckles]

Glenn: Five-- I remember--

Rob: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: I-I remember 'cause it was a dollar over minimum wage, which at the time was $4.25-

Rob: Nice.

Glenn: -at least in-in-in Alabama, it was. I think that was the federal minimum wage.

Charlie: I wish I had more-- I wish I knew how to do more of it. Like, uh, you know, one of my--

Megan: Handyman stuff?

Charlie: Yeah. One of my closest friends, Chris, like, is-- you know, has a construction company in Rhode Island, and-- Uh-uh, Pettit Construction if you want a good job done in Rhode Island. But, like, you know, he knows how to, like, go ahead and build a deck or an entire house, or redo your kitchen. Like, what an awesome thing to-

Glenn: But also, like, the-the-

Charlie: -know how to do.

Glenn: -the balls on-on the characters of-of Dennis and Charlie to think they can just renovate a home, and they don't know shit.

Megan: Yeah.

Charlie: Yeah.

Glenn: They don't know anything about what they're doing. They just start breaking the place and then like-- [crosstalk]

Rob: Wait, so the show was called-- the original show was called Extreme Home-- The Extreme Makeover.

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Rob: And then-- and that was about-- That was a show where they would take somebody and carve them up and give them plastic surgery and whatnot.

Glenn: No.

Rob: Yes.

Charlie and Glenn: That was The Swan.

Charlie: You're thinking of The Swan.

Rob: Oh, well, tha-that's--

Charlie: They turned you from an ugly-

Megan: No.

Charlie: -duckling into the swan via plastic surgery.

Rob: Amazing. Right?

Megan: Although on looking up Extreme Makeover depicts ordinary men and women undergoing extreme makeovers involving plastic surgery-

Glenn: Oh my God. [crosstalk]

Megan: -exercise regiments, hairdressing.

Rob: Otherwise it ain't extreme. If it's just a little makeup and hair spray-

Glenn: That's just a makeover. [crosstalk]

Rob: -that's just a makeover.

Charlie: And then they just added a home element to it?

Megan: And then they just, yeah, they did the home makeover thing, um.

Rob: And it's hard- it's hard to explain to a-- the-- anybody who would say, watch this episode now, a young person watching-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -this episode now that would think, "Oh, uh, this is-- they're talking about some show that exists or maybe they're making it up or whatever." When those kinds of shows would come out, they would be smash hits, and you couldn't get away from--

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: They would be-- The-there wasn't as many channels, there was no streaming, it was-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -and if there was a hit on ABC-

Charlie: Yeah.

Rob: -it was massive. And that guy, Ty Pennington-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -like, you-you would see him at, like, a TV events, and he would be the star that-

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: -was there.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Rob: And you would think, well, this guy's career's just, like, never gonna-- he's gonna be Ty Pennington for the rest of his life, and he is.

Glenn: Well, he is gonna be Ty Pennington for the rest of his life.

Charlie: I always thought about that, about the show where it was like, you took someone's, like, one-story one-bedroom house and turned it into a five-bedroom-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: -story house. Are they going to have to pay a crazy new tax bracket because the house is valued at a different, uh-- Like, how does that work? How's money work?

Rob: No. No. You're still paying taxes. [crosstalk]

Charlie: How do- how do taxes and money work? You all know this shit?


Glenn: I do remember watching that show and th- and thinking it was so funny how they would-- You know, they'd be talking to the kid and the kid would be like-- "You know, what-what are you into? You know, what's little Johnny into, you know? Oh, you really like sharks, huh? Oh, sharks, huh? Okay." And then, you know, they would do the makeover and the house would be, you know, classy for the most part.

And then you'd go in the kid's room and it was just like, and it's a shark bed, and there's shark posters everywhere, and there's a fish and there's a, you know, a po-- giant poster of sharks. And it was just like, o-okay. I mean, he said he liked sharks, I didn't think he-he would say he was--

Charlie: Yeah, in-in like, uh, you know, five years, he's gonna be 15, and we're gonna have to get rid of all this shark shit.

Glenn: Redo all this shit.

Charlie: Yeah.

Megan: In like five minutes, he's gonna be onto something else.

Charlie: Yeah.

Megan: It's like kids are--

Glenn: Right.

Megan: It's like--

Glenn: Yeah. Right. He made the whole thing about sharks. You know, my kids sleeping in a shark's mouth. Who wants to do that? Like, so that was- that was-- and we never-- we didn't quite-- we weren't able to quite dig into, but that was-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: Well, that's what the taco bed was supposed to be, but it wound up--

Glenn: Yeah.

Rob: So, I know somebody that-- I won't say his name 'cause it'll-it'll betray his trust, but we all know him. And he worked on-- he worked in some of these kinds of shows and he said the biggest moment, the whole episode-

Glenn: Oh.

Rob: -is based on the reveal. The whole episode is based on the reveal. So, no matter what happens, if you don't get the right reveal, you don't have a show. So, knowing that, the producers would do all sorts of fucked up things. They wanted people to cry really more than anything, so they would keep them awake. Like, they would purposefully, like, keep them awake for 48 hours-

Charlie: Oh, Jesus.

Glenn: 48 hours?

Rob: -to make them emotionally unstable, which I guess would work, where they would, but they would hide it. Like, they would put them in a hotel and they'd be like, "You're going to this party, and then we're gonna go out, and here's a bunch of alcohol." And then they would, like, come and wake them up at, like, in the middle of the night and be like, "We gotta do this one thing." And then go back to, and then wake them up, like really fuck with them.

Megan: [chuckles]

Rob: And then when they showed up, they would be emotionally drained, and then they would see-

Charlie: [unintelligible 00:38:00].

Rob: -they would have the reveal and--

Glenn: So not that different from what we do on the show, except they, at the end of the day, they've got a nice house instead of a burned down-

Rob: We-we-

Glenn: -pile of rubble. [crosstalk]

Rob: -uh, we were satirizing lots of things in this- in this episode, I believe-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Rob: -including those shows.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Charlie: Mm-hmm

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: There's a good bit in this episode that I'd like to bring up too, where Dennis is comforting Charlie and you do a little bit of, like-- Do you remember that part where you're, like, massaging--

Charlie: Oh, I'm-I'm upset about Sears and--

Megan: Yeah, and you start massaging his shoulders and then you give him a nice hug-

Glenn: A little hug at the end, yeah. [crosstalk]

Megan: -from behind. It's a sweet little moment.


Glenn: Just breathe for me. Feel what I'm doing.

Charlie: Yeah, dude, I just, I'm sorry bro, but I get very passionate about Sears. No, I mean, Extreme Homemake-- I mean, wha-wha--

Glenn: Helping people.

Charlie: Helping people.

Glenn: [shushes] Don't stop, man. Give me a hug. I do actually remember. I was- I was doing the massage thing and I gave you the hug and I was like, "This is nice." It's like, you were very warm and like good si-- like good hugging size. Yeah. Um.

Charlie: Yeah, like, the whole thing with that was like, uh, the episodes were always, like, about Sears. It was-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -so-so much about Sears.

Rob: Right.

Glenn: Yeah, it was about them, yeah, about the generosity of--

Charlie: So like, you were like, you're kind of helping a family, but really it's just, like, one long commercial for Sears.

Rob: Yeah.

Megan: But I love that you-

Charlie: And I was like--

Megan: -also say, "Sears doesn't get anything out of it."-

Charlie: Yeah.

Megan: -at some point, like, fundamentally misunderstanding-

Charlie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Megan: -why they mentioned it all the time.

Glenn: Did we--

Charlie: I feel like that was at the very beginning where we're like, "Wow, they're, like, just, like, putting this advertising right in the middle of the content, which of course now is just all that anything is. Speaking of, let's go to commercial.


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Megan: A product I use literally every day.

Charlie: Wait, Me-me-meg, are you using AG1 every day now too?

Glenn: Yeah. Wait, are you?

Megan: Yeah, I've been using AG1.

Charlie: Wait, did you know that it has 75 high-quality vitamins, minerals, whole-food source superfoods, probiotics, and adaptogens to start your day, right?

Megan: I sure did, Charlie. Yep.

Charlie: I figured.

Glenn: Listen, I'm very happy to hear that you're using it all the time. I mean-- it means we successfully converted her with our expert salesmanship.

Megan: But then do you guys remember how I literally brought them to you as a sponsor in the beginning?

Charlie: Okay-okay-

Glenn: Is that [unintelligible 00:40:05]--

Charlie: -then why don't you, uh, name a selling point you love so much about Athletic Greens and AG1?

Glenn: Yeah.

Megan: Well, there's less than one gram of sugar, and that's pretty good.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: And it supports better sleep quality and muscle recovery, and you know, all the things you guys normally say. [crosstalk]

Glenn: All the things that we normally say. [crosstalk]

Charlie: All the things we normally say. The things we normally say about it.

Glenn: Things that we've been saying, yeah-yeah.

Rob: [unintelligible 00:40:22].

Glenn: Yeah, I mean, [laughs] we got her, you know. But do be like Meg, and start taking AG1 every day. Your body will thank you.

Charlie: All right, to make it easy, Athletic Greens is gonna give you a free one-year supply of immune-supporting vitamin D and five free travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit

Rob: Again, that is to take ownership over your health and pick up the ultimate daily nutritional insurance.


Charlie: All right, guys, let's be honest. We could all use a little more motivation when it comes to working out. And by that, I mean, you know, some competition.

Glenn: Charlie, what kind of competition are you talking about here?

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Rob: Ah, FightCamp, where you have thousands of workouts led by expert trainers with decades of experience, teaching proper boxing form and technique.

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Megan: Do you guys believe in manifesting? Do you think that-

Glenn: I do.

Megan: -there's anything-

Rob: I do. Yeah.

Megan: -to the secret, and if you--

Glenn: I do.

Megan: Yeah?

Glenn: I do-- I'm-I'm-- I--

Rob: But I don't think it says woo-woo as I think the general public.

Glenn: Yeah. I think that-- I think you could-- [crosstalk]

Charlie: I think it's another way of saying having a goal-

Megan: Yeah.

Charlie: -you know, like--

Rob: Having a goal and positive-

Megan: That you work towards.

Rob: -thoughts.

Charlie: And positive thought, yeah.

Glenn: Yeah, I think it affects-- it-- I think people pick up on your energy and I think when you put something out into the world, you're putting a certain energy out and people pick up on it, it affects how you approach your work, it affects how you approach your goals, you know, and I think-- So I think there's probably some very, like, tangible science behind it as opposed to it just being totally woo, but, uh, I feel like, uh, manifesting things absolutely-absolutely works. I mean--

Megan: I tried to get on your show for eight years, it took me-

Glenn: Yeah.

Megan: -of manifesting that.

Glenn: Did you- did you send him--

Rob: You did it.

Megan: I did it well. The direct link was that I talked about it all the time and I talked about-

Glenn: [chuckles]

Megan: -it to somebody who was on your show, who then went and was like, "This chick's obsessed with you. Like, why don't you guys interview her?" That was Scott Marder. But I wrote my spec script, that got me my first job, was a Sunny spec, so I was manifesting it.

Glenn: Have we ev-- Ha-have I read that spec?

Megan: Oh God, no. You're not going to either.

Glenn: No?

Megan: No, no, no. Nope.

Rob: What if we produced it this year?

Charlie: Yeah. What if we use it this season?

Glenn: What if I were to tell you, you know, we got nothing, so--

Rob: What if we did an entire season of television where we just did people's spec scripts that they send-- sent in.

Megan: Finally, the Bar Rescue episode.

Rob: The Bar Rescue episode is a lock.

Megan: I think what we've learned today is, don't do a podcast at the end of the day after breaking stories.

Charlie: It's tough on the energy, but I don't know.

Rob: [unintelligible 00:43:50] I don't know.

Charlie: There was something-- some good content in there, some interesting conversations.

Glenn: Look, I mean, you know, if people wanna see the real us, they're-- every once in a while, they're gonna get a podcast that was filmed at the end of the day and the energy is gonna be-- is maybe slightly different, and you know, maybe that's, uh.

Rob: We didn't complain.

Charlie: No.

Megan: No, that's true.

Rob: I'm on a- I'm on a different time zone. I'm three hours-- it's three hours later but I haven't really mentioned that.

Glenn: You adjusted to the time zone that quickly?

Megan: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: You weren't gone that long.

Rob: No, but I did get up early and I was- I was on a six-hour flight.

Glenn: Mm.

Rob: But I'm not complaining. It's all good.

Glenn: No?

Rob: I've got a-- I got a great life, get to spend it with my friends, you know.

Charlie: We've established if you want to complain, you can.

Rob: Yeah, that's true. I don't really feel like complaining. I feel very happy, I feel very fortunate.

Charlie: No, I feel good too, so I was like, "Yeah."

Glenn: Megan, do you- do you feel like, uh, overall you-you walk around life, uh, with a general sense of gratitude?

Megan: I try to, yeah. Yeah.

Glenn: So you aspire to that?

Megan: Aspire to that.

Glenn: You don't- you don't feel like that's your default but you aspire to it. [crosstalk]

Megan: I think I'm happy all the time about everything, but definitely-- [crosstalk]

Glenn: No, not happy. Not happy.

Megan: Yeah.

Glenn: Grateful.

Megan: Gratitude?

Glenn: Yes.

Megan: Um, but you know, you only really, like, appreciate how good you have it when stuff starts going, like, badly. So, like, during the pandemic and stuff, I found a lot more gratitude about my life and just like--

Glenn: Same.

Megan: Yeah. It's just-- I would say I found more gratitude about my non-work life-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: -uh, which I'd always thought sucked. I always love-- have tons of gra-gratitude for my work life because I get to do really fun things, and that's cool. But then I was like, "You know what's great?" Just, like, going for a walk, or like just hanging out with some friends.

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: Like, you start being m-more gracious about-- m-more grateful about stuff like that. So-

Glenn: Mm-hmm.

Megan: -I would say yeah. I'm happy to be back in the room with you guys right now.

Glenn: Yeah.

Megan: Rob said he noticed I was in a good mood the other day.

Rob: I did. I sa-- I noticed you seem very happy-

Megan: Yeah, I am.

Rob: -very happy recently, which I love- I love to see--

Charlie: [unintelligible 00:45:36]-- I'm having a lot of fun in the writer's room.

Glenn: Me too, yeah.

Charlie: I'm really enjoying it.

Glenn: Yeah, yeah, it has been fun.

Rob: It's a blast.

Glenn: It has been fun.

Charlie: Um, we have now completed watching all our episodes of Season 4. [crosstalk]

Megan: Season 4.

Rob: Oh.

Glenn: This is-- We are gonna air, I think, The Nightman one last.

Charlie: We'll-we'll air that one last, but we don't have a conversation about-

Glenn: Oh, yeah. That's true.

Charlie: -Season 4 as a whole during that, uh-

Megan: That's true, yeah.

Charlie: -so--

Megan: What-what are your thoughts about Season 4? [crosstalk]

Charlie: So, yeah, how's everyone feeling of-- I-I'm-I'm thinking four was strong.

Glenn: I-I-I like- I like it, but to be honest, for my money, the show becomes, I think what I love about it the most in Season 5.

Charlie: Yeah. I think we're about to kind of pick up on all the things that work and dump all the things-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -that are like we don't really need, like realizing "Oh, we don't need these aspects of storytelling-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -to break one of these stories."

Rob: A lot of justification.

Glenn: Uh-huh.

Charlie: A lot of justification-

Rob: Yeah.

Charlie: -we don't need and just be like, "No, we're just like-- The characters are just doing things-

Glenn: Yeah.

Charlie: -and the audience will go with it starting Season 5."

Glenn: Yeah, yeah. I think- I think we- I think we just-- It was the first year that I feel like we really dialed it in and, you know, sort of took what was working, um, from all the first four seasons and-

Charlie: Mm-hmm.

Glenn: -combined it all into one show. Um--

Megan: There's some pretty classic episodes-- I've said this before in the podcast. But my favorite is The Gang gives Frank an Intervention, and that is in Season 5, so very excited to see, moving forward. [crosstalk]

Glenn: That is in Season 5, yeah.

Megan: Great episode, guys.

[End Credits]


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